To be upset that there are 3 Ukip posters up in houses down my road :(

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It is a pretty working class street, some council, some privately owned houses. Not sure if that is relevant but WHY the fuck would you advertise the fact that you are a fuckwit? All of the people with the notices up are older people - older than me, which is 43 (im not older!!!! - ok, maybe a bit).

Its pretty worrying really that what i would normally see as very respectable folk have been sucked in by this bullshit?

This is a conservative ward, and although dissilussioned with the previous gov i have always voted labour - i am going to have to vote bloody tory in a half beat effort to keep Ukip out of the area :(

My DD lives in a town with a ukip counsellor - its fucking dire and getting worse :(

I wish these ignorant people with their hate-ons against immigrants would simply take two seconds and check the facts. Immigrants who arrived after 1999 are 45% less likely than UK natives to receive benefits and are 3% less likely to live in social housing. They are a net benefit to the UK economy www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24813467

flappityfanjos
"You know what, if you want to vote against the three major parties, vote Green. Vote for some fucking compassionate policies"

Lets do that, after all they have done so well running brighton

People are not voting green because the green party is also not listening to the people and is not representative of what people are trying to get across.

Good for the economy yes but with a flattening effect on wages (but we have a minimum wage..) and conditions at the point where there is competition, so in UK that is primarily at low-level wages. Services (builders!) can become cheaper, which is nice if you can afford an extension.

Yes GDP will go up (that's why governments do like immigration) but not necessarily average wealth as it all gets divided up amongst a larger population and in the UK economy recently it has all been about the wealth gap growing.

Yes Lacka - come to where I live and you will see lots of non-working immigrants living in houses that locals can't afford.

or did the Daily Mail tell you it was so?

Probably it seems like the paper MN most love to hate and hate to love

Ah well, I think I will go and watch Eurovision. Nothing on here has made me change my mind about how I will vote (and don't assume it's UKIP )

No doubt the same people will still be arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin when I get back later

Immigrants from within the EU paid 34% more in taxes than they took out in the last decade whereas native Brits on average took out 11% more than they put in. So with corporations tax dodging and a net loss from UK natives, this country will be well and truly fucked if UKIP kick out the highest contributing group due to stupid irrational prejudices. Good luck getting pensions and government benefits then!

That's right give up stargazey as you have clearly lost any rational argument. Enjoy your bread and circuses (um, I mean Eurovision).

So you have no interest in finding out how immigration actually works in the UK, Stargazey?

And if the UK workers won't get off their sofas for minimum wage, employers won't automatically say "ooh, best pay more", they will take thier factories to China where they can get cheaper workers.

Not knowing where you live, stargazey, I couldn't comment. But here, there are all manner of people living in all manner of houses; I couldn't possibly know the personal circumstances of all of them, so whether they can afford the house they are living in or not is entirely their business and irrelevant to this argument. You may know that they don't work, but you have no idea about their personal finances, and if "locals" can't afford to live in the houses, then they don't sound like social housing? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Yes, to both Wicked and Boulevard - I SAID I WOULD BE BACK LATER (or can't you read now?) !!!

And Wicked - I NEVER give up. That's what 30 years of being Carer to a disabled child teaches you

come to where I live and you will see lots of non-working immigrants living in houses that locals can't afford.

Contradiction in terms. If they are council or housing association houses, clearly they are houses that locals who qualify for such accommodation can afford. If they aren't, then the occupants must be paying for them and it follows that they can afford them.

I'd love to know how you have so much information about the finance and work status of so many people living in your area.

Well, you said yourself that discussing the finer points of UK immigration policy was like the angel/pin thing, implying a lack of interest, and yet you simultaneously say it's really important...?

LEM it's unlikely they are voting UKIP in the local elections, it'll be the European one. And your constituency will be so huge for that there's no point trying to vote tactically, you might as well go with your heart. Or head.

YANBU. I'd feel very upset if I discovered my neighbours were UKIP supporters too.

When I moved to this area I looked up what colour it was. Yellow. That's nice, I thought. A reasonably affluent area that has a social conscience and not prepared to shaft its neighbours for its own gain. Then it turned blue and I was .

If it turned purple, I'd be and would move. I don't want to live next door to people like that; the sort that would hand me over if I was Anne Frank.

In fact, DH & I have already said we'd leave the country if Farage became PM. We would too!

I will vote for my local councillor who has been hard working in this community for many years. I may feel more and more alienated from his party in recent years, but he is a local workhorse and has helped change my local area for the better. Why people would want to vote out grass roots party workers who get things done, just to mark a protest against central government is beyond me. What good will it do if you no longer have the local representation that you need and deserve?

ok maybe posters in windows a bit strange .but people are sick of uncapped imigration ..and before anyone says anything .how would people like if your child could,nt get the support he needed at school for autism .had to home schooled .but if he needed an interpretor .hey thats fine .they cut children,s services for mental health .but our gp advertises please tell us if you need an interpretor .my hubby and i have worked from leaving school paid our taxes .but hey you can come here after 6 months claim benefits .so yes my vote is going to ukip .

Yes, I can always go home to Scotland and pray for Independence...

Do you really want this?

shock, horror aprilanne, you could claim benfits too if you needed them What's your point? Comparing children's education services and GP budgets is like comparing apples and pears.

oh god no lackadaisycal .no wee eck please no

Aprilanne, you do realise, don't you, that UKIP policy is basically that inconvenient disabled children (including those with autism) should be shut away in institutions? With a UKIP government you can give up any idea of autistic children getting help in school at all.

Yes, turgiday, but they will get rid of them nasty benefits/jobs (which is it?) grabbing forriners who are taking my child's school place Where do I sign?

There are lots of people who want out of the EU. Some of these might be racists. Some might not be racist but still resent the way mass immigration has changed their working conditions. Others again because they feel the entire EU setup is undemocratic and incompatible with the English political system. Lumping them all together as 'cunts' or indeed as automatic UKIP voters IMO shows rather limited thinking about the issues and perspectives involved.

aprilanne immigrants are a net gain to the UK economy - that is to say they pay more in tax than they take in benefits. So they are actually funding the gp and school help you do get. Take them away and you will have even fewer services. Meanwhile UKIP want to raise your taxes and privatise the NHS. Getting rid of immigrants is not going to help you - that is based on the facts rather than daily mail fearmongering.