To be upset that there are 3 Ukip posters up in houses down my road :(

[LEMmingaround]

It is a pretty working class street, some council, some privately owned houses. Not sure if that is relevant but WHY the fuck would you advertise the fact that you are a fuckwit? All of the people with the notices up are older people - older than me, which is 43 (im not older!!!! - ok, maybe a bit).

Its pretty worrying really that what i would normally see as very respectable folk have been sucked in by this bullshit?

This is a conservative ward, and although dissilussioned with the previous gov i have always voted labour - i am going to have to vote bloody tory in a half beat effort to keep Ukip out of the area :(

My DD lives in a town with a ukip counsellor - its fucking dire and getting worse :(

and by that I mean there is always someone else waiting to step up to the job regardless of which country they are from.

What about the blue rinse brigade who draw their UK pension, yet are spending it on the costas?

This is always my argument when this subject comes up. Not to mention the drain on the Spanish healthcare system when they haven't paid any social security and in many cases make no effort to learn the local language or integrate.

Spain are in a worse economic state that the UK. Imagine if they sent all the expats home.

Tiggy, since when was giving people a few facts "confrontation"? Again, it is quite astonishing that UKIP supporters feel threatened by that prospect.

I'm not looking to engage in political discussion with UKIP supporters, but I'm not going to complain because they put their staggeringly stupid campaign literature through my door. It's called democracy.

I thought you said "They come here to work and have a better life than back home......as I would like to go to USA, Canada, NZ, Aus for a better life.......but I bet I wouldn't get in!" So you did say you wanted to?

Great you have a pension and I hope as well you had help from the government for your disabled child. You and your child needed help and it's quite right that you've had it. So why do you begrudge that to others? And many immigrants have had to leave their children behind in their own countries with grandparents, etc while they work all hours here or in the US to support them. Why not have empathy for these people as I would hope people would have empathy for you.

I live in a sea of UKIP posters. Rural, very tory, very low voting turnout ( we're talking only farmers and bussed in grannies), and very poor. But all of a sudden, all the locals who don't work anyway are complaining about how they would actually do the field work if only those nasty Poles hadn't agreed to pick the leeks already.

This is patent bollocks. Teaching here, living here, the problem is not the Poles or Lithuanians, all of whom support the school, speak English and work, but the moany self entitled locals who like to blame someone else for their plight rather than engage a brain cell, look at the wider political situation, and actually get a job.

The leaflets we got were shockingly racist, poorly written, and risible. But hey, it doesn't matter that they would cut the education budget and don't have a policy that hasn't been written on their hand in green biro, because they will stop some Pole from picking leeks, and then Mr local can pick the leeks. Except he doesn't effing want to.

I despair.

StarGazey, not clear why you deny having said that you wanted to emigrate. What did "as I would like to go to USA, Canada, NZ, Aus for a better life" mean, then?

"Sorry Tucson, why do you think that minimum wage will rise? Exactly how are immigrants pushing wages down? Minimum wage is set by the government and is low because it hasn't risen with inflation year on year; that is not the fault of the people doing the jobs, nor is it a casual effect of their nationality."
Minimum wage is an irrelevence. If employers had to employ British workers than both wages and working conditions would have to be higher in order to attract workers.

Whatever causes a larger labour pool is tough on the low paid. In the UK's current situation it can be, in some places, immigration.

If employers had to employ British workers than both wages and working conditions would have to be higher in order to attract workers.

And UKIP voters would complain like hell because of the way that would push prices up.

but, immigration being the scourge of the working class is a long held right wing view, so of course UKIP supporters (or anti establishment protestors or whatever they would call themselves) would support that view.

From my limited research and understanding of economic policy, most economists agree that immigration actually boosts local economies and drives wages upas more people means more services required means more jobs. With regard to the UK, and the Home office have reported that immigrants pay £2.5 billion more in taxes than they take in benefits. Immigration would, on balance, appear to be good for an economy.

There are a lot of UKIP posters around here too..In the staff room at work there was a vocal discussion and when someone brought up the subject of the UKIP wider, less palatable policies, one person said all parties say one thing and do another, UKIP won't be any different so their more outlandish policies probably won't ever materialise anyway, they also felt that the more 'muck raking' and 'smears' the media and other parties did convinced them UKIP are right and they are running scared and that's why they were voting for them...I gave up and got back to work at that point.

You know what, if you want to vote against the three major parties, vote Green. Vote for some fucking compassionate policies instead of a party that attracts a multitude of racist, homophobic, misogynistic members however hard it tries to pretend it's none of those things, a party based on scaremongering about wicked foreigners taking something away from you. If you feel like you're being fucked over, don't look at the poor sod who's even poorer than you, look up at the ones who hold the power and are using it to piss all over you.

Mimimum wage will not go up because lazy, feckless brits can't be arsed to get off the sofa for £6.50 an hour (or whatever current minimum wage is at). It's a little bit more complicated than wages anyway. Like I said, more workers means more services, more housing, more shops selling things and ultimately more jobs, not less.

OK Icimoi - I WOULD have liked to go to those countries, but they would not have me with a disabled child 'IN CASE I BECAME A BURDEN ON THE STATE'. I had to come home, even though I could work.

That would NOT happen with an immigrant in this country. Here, they would be welcomed, given a house and money, and supported. THAT is the difference.

If you feel like you're being fucked over, don't look at the poor sod who's even poorer than you, look up at the ones who hold the power and are using it to piss all over you.

^^ Exactly, Flappity. This.

Would you stand in a field all day picking vegetables for £6.50 an hour, Lackadasycal?

More workers = lower wages and lower working conditions. In what possible way does more workers = more housing? Unless you are referring to "sheds with beds"?

"look up at the ones who hold the power and are using it to piss all over you"
Who holds all the power? LibLabCon (and their backers). What seems to piss LibLabCon off more than anything? People voting UKIP.

I wonder if these older UKIP voters noticed Farage saying the other day that UKIP want to cut the NHS and pensions.

StarGazey, have a look at UK immigration law as it has operated over the last 20 years. You will discover that nationals of the countries you mention who are financially unable to support themselves and their families would not be "welcomed" here, or given houses and money.

Our neighbours have a UKIP poster in the window.
We have talked to them about it and it is mainly a protest against the mainstream parties. They also said they are aware that without Farage there isn't a party.
This is a democracy and if they choose to have a UKIP poster in the window then they can.
And if we choose to disagree with their choice, we can.

No immigrants are not welcomed in the UK with a house and money.

You know what, if you want to vote against the three major parties, vote Green.

Good point, seeing as the Greens are probably the biggest party that actually believes in something other than lining their own members pockets. Watching UKIP, Labour, Tory and Lib Dem supporter hurl insults at each other over which bunch of over-privileged well connected millionaires who only care about themselves should be in power is rather an odd spectacle for anyone who can see the big picture.

The only caveat is that if the Greens actually turn into a meaningful party, they'd end up infested with the same sort of power hungry egomanics that constitute the current major parites.

do you have actual proof of that happening in the UK stargazey?

Tucson, if you think that UKIP would stop people in power from pissing over the poorest and most vulnerable, I am afraid you are sadly deceived. Their policies would simply serve to enable this.

or did the Daily Mail tell you it was so?