To be upset that there are 3 Ukip posters up in houses down my road :(

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It is a pretty working class street, some council, some privately owned houses. Not sure if that is relevant but WHY the fuck would you advertise the fact that you are a fuckwit? All of the people with the notices up are older people - older than me, which is 43 (im not older!!!! - ok, maybe a bit).

Its pretty worrying really that what i would normally see as very respectable folk have been sucked in by this bullshit?

This is a conservative ward, and although dissilussioned with the previous gov i have always voted labour - i am going to have to vote bloody tory in a half beat effort to keep Ukip out of the area :(

My DD lives in a town with a ukip counsellor - its fucking dire and getting worse :(

at least I'd have free prescriptions for my rather excessive health needs, and free university places for my DC! I'm starting to think I can't afford to live here any more. Mind you, maybe Nige will kick me out. After all I'm taking up a NMW job that an English person could do, and receiving all that free healthcare.

sorry lackadaisycal .my point being .i know i could claim benefits but i was born here i have paid my taxes here .and my point about the other services is if interpretors were not needed the budgets for these services could go to other things. as i said unless you experience .the lack of services you won,t understand the anger ,

Aprilanne's post is a classic example of what worries me about UKIP voters. There seems to be a perception that UKIP has a magic wand which will resolve whatever bothers them, probably the day after the election; they never seem to check to see whether it is actually any part of UKIP's policies, nor do they realise that UKIP has no interest whatsoever in helping the working classes and the vulnerable.

"NONE OF THE ABOVE"

The point is, aprilanne, that without the contribution that immigrants make to the UK economy, the services you are entitled to would be considerably worse.

But this thread is about UKIP specifically Manitee and their kneejerk supporters. And, yes, it's more complicated, but, as someone upthread said, voting for a party that want us out of Europe in the European elections will hardly be conducive to ensuring that our stake in Europe (which probably won't change any time soon) is well looked after.

I understand the lack of services only to well as I work in care, however you still can't compare interpreters funded by the NHS with children's services funded by local councils. You can complain about the rise in prescription charges needed to pay for the interpreters, or complain about the lack of council funding from central government (which has bugger all to do with immigration afaik) for the reduction in childrens services, but the NHS is not funded by children's services and vice versa.

aprilanne immigrants are a net gain to the UK economy - that is to say they pay more in tax than they take in benefits.
This has been shown to be not true. More recent research shows a net liss. Previous stats. Missed out massive economic losses such as tax credits and focussed more on nhs cost.
People still trot it out as fact though

I'd like to ask any UKIP supporters, so, a traumatised refugee Ugandan LGBT person. Under the UKIP manifesto, no support of any kind for 5 years, if allowed to stay at all. Where does she go? What does she do?

ok classic example .my middle boy goes for part time job .to get some money while at college nothing fancy in food cannery place .he goes to interview .and the person doing interview say .while you can have the job it may not suit you because all the rest of workers on said shift are polish and you may not fit in. and as i said my youngest child does,nt get any schooling because they have no place for his needs

www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/10-good-reasons-not-to-vote-for-ukio-3639

oh god
please no

holoferneseshead ..i have NO problem with refugees fleeing violence or oppresion getting refugee status .it is the open door policy for no reason i object to

Please cite your source on that, adsy if you're going to state it as fact? Not daily mail, please! As I cited mine in a previous post (bbc). And here is an academic study from Oxford U published just last year stating a positive benefit www.google.com/search?q=economic%20impact%20of%20immigrants%20uk

Adsy, whose research would that be? Because the figures demonstrate that immigrants are 45% less likely to claim benefits and tax credits than UK nationals.

Aprilanne, there is no open door immigration policy. I'm afraid you are taking UKIP and BNP propaganda at face value.

Wait, aprilanne, your son got the job but you don't like the sound of his coworkers because they're Polish?? How is that not prejudice on your part?

Do you have a link to that research adsy?

Aprilanne, your middle son doesn't seem to have been refused the job, he has just been told that his fellow workers will mostly be Polish. I hope therefore that he took the job?

And, as I mentioned upthread, if UKIP got in your youngest would be shut away in an institution and wouldn't get any education. If he isn't getting any now, I suggest you get legal advice - but do it quickly, because UKIP will take away his right to legal aid.

can't site heere lollygaggin all night though; the best bit of Eurovision is coming. I'm predicting that Britain will get shafted on points as usual, as most of Europe appear to hate us. A microcosm of the European Parlaiment, much? Maybe Nige has a point?

SORRY ok there is open policy on european immigration .i mean do you see anyone from here just arriving in poland or where ever else by the bus load not likely .and then being a drain on there services .i mean can you imagine going to any those country,s and wanting to change there way of life

no my boy did,nt take the job because i as i said the man at interview told him he probably would,nt fit in .because not many them spoke english .at least the guy was honest i suppose .i did phone and speak to said interviewer because i thought my boy joking .he just said sorry thats how it is .

More fool your son, then, aprilanne, not to take a perfectly good job just because he didn't fancy working with non-English people. I hope he's not claiming benefits?

I still don't understand why he couldn't take the job and work with Polish people? He's there to work not hang out and make friends. And who's to say many of his colleagues wouldn't have been perfectly pleasant people who would have been delighted to have someone to practice their English with. Sorry but that smacks of prejudice to me.

Aprilanne, Polish workers are not arriving here "by the busload" as you claim. You really mustn't believe everything the Mail or the Sun tell you about this. And yes, there are thousands of British people working in EU countries.

I would class the freedom of movement of workers within the EU as an open door immigration reality within the EU, if not a stated policy of any party. Like I say it is positive news for business owners and employers of tradesmen but it isn't good news for everyone.