To be upset that there are 3 Ukip posters up in houses down my road :(

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It is a pretty working class street, some council, some privately owned houses. Not sure if that is relevant but WHY the fuck would you advertise the fact that you are a fuckwit? All of the people with the notices up are older people - older than me, which is 43 (im not older!!!! - ok, maybe a bit).

Its pretty worrying really that what i would normally see as very respectable folk have been sucked in by this bullshit?

This is a conservative ward, and although dissilussioned with the previous gov i have always voted labour - i am going to have to vote bloody tory in a half beat effort to keep Ukip out of the area :(

My DD lives in a town with a ukip counsellor - its fucking dire and getting worse :(

EU legislation changed DVLA driving rules. UK were apparently powerless to stop this.
so the minister and DVLA Director sprouted......

Another one: the EU ruling that it is discriminatory to charge women less for car insurance than men, despite that the cost is an actuarial assessment based on the comparative statistical risk of women and men having car accidents.

I've been known to deface garden signs with a Sharpie pen on my way home from the pub.

I would definitely do that if I'd found my landlord had put a UKIP sign up in my front garden.

I don't think Martorana is really interested in our gripes with the EU! It was perhaps just another subtle put-down to those who disagree.

YABU. What have other people's beliefs got to do with you OP?

Do you go around getting upset at all sorts of things, or do you purely reserve this for political judgements against UKIP?

Live and let live.

OTheHugeManatee: and if we pull out of Europe, we will have to abide by all the same rules in order to trade with Europe, as our biggest trading partner, but have absolutely no say in making those rules.

UKIP MEPs hate EU law, but don't even turn up to the debates and votes where these things are decided. Voting UKIP means we have less influence in Europe. So it's massively counter-productive.

Manatee, we have literally hundreds of laws which were not the subject of referenda. That is the way our constitution works. Yes, those principles as to bringing laws into line with the EU apply on joining it; however, it leaves intact a huge body of law which is solely the province of each country's legislature. We voted in governments which were committed to entering and staying in the EU at a succession of elections.

The unemployed youth of Spain would be considerably worse off if the country was not in Europe than it is now.

My Tory neighbour wants Ukip to do well in the Euro elections. He also wants the other "nutter right" parties (his words) in Europe to do well. His reasoning is that if the Eurocrats see the level of disaffected nationalism in Europe they will re-design the EU to become a "more acceptable" economic, not political, union. We'll see.

Icimoi
"and it's no good saying the main parties should try to appease that sort of mindset,"

That is ridiculous, it is like saying that the main parties should have ignored the green issues.

Marking my place and living up to my name.

OTheHugeManatee
"Another one: the EU ruling that it is discriminatory to charge women less for car insurance than men, despite that the cost is an actuarial assessment based on the comparative statistical risk of women and men having car accidents"

that is the same law that has improved women's pension pots.

Not to mention cheaper phone bills and flights, and the right to compensation if your flight is delayed or cancelled.

Maybe UKIP want us to start holidaying in Bognor instead.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/10/what-can-save-the-european-union

this is called democracy, people.

if you don't enjoy it, there are places where it won't trouble you. You know where the exit is.

I'm an immigrant
BUT
my family emigrated from the UK in the 1600's
so actually I'm a returnee

The firm a work for is already having real problems getting staff into the UK, thanks to the government's obsession with immigration. The consequence of that is that instead of having people based in the UK, paying tax here, they're having to base roles in other parts of the world where visas are easier to obtain.

If the UK were to leave the EU, my work would shift its HQ elsewhere - that's 3,000 people out of work here, not paying tax, and indeed not buying goods and services, thus putting the builders, hairdressers, nannies, etc they employ out of work too.

Nigel Farage is really just Russell Brand in a Barbour jacket - capitalising on disenchantment by offering simple solutions that don't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny.

Mrs Blackthorn it is a massive issue if companies leave. What reasons do they give for moving if UK left EU.

I know of companies whose HQs have moved outside to EU with no ill effects to them. They still operate within UK and Europe iyswim.

Icimoi Sun 11-May-14 12:34:17
"The unemployed youth of Spain would be considerably worse off if the country was not in Europe than it is now."

Can you link some source or evidence to prove this claim? Do you have friends/family in Spain that can attest to this?

I think earlier it was asked about what are UKIPs policies. The answer is I don't know.

The issue I have is I go along and vote (always do) and deface my ballot paper.
Result is (eg)
Tory
Labour
Whoever

Spoilt papers 75, Tories (or labour, or whoever) still celebrate the win, ignoring spoilt papers.

I vote UKIP

Result is Tory, UKIP, labour. All of a sudden the main parties are listening as they have lost ground to a party they didn't consider a viable threat.

I don't like them, but I don't like any of the other idiots either. So do u carry on with better the devil you know with crap parties or make a protest vote.
I'm thinking protest vote is the logical thing.

Bluestocking Sat 10-May-14 17:27:56

"It's particularly depressing as the house in between us and this house is home to a very nice family from Saudi Arabia, and I do wonder what they must think."

Hi Bluestocking, I think you're confusing UKIP with the BNP. Why would the family from Saudi Arabia be offended? UKIP are against the EU first and foremost which allows for uncontrolled EU immigration. Under current legislation the UK government already checks and decides who can migrate from Saudi Arabia and indeed most other non-EU nations.

"and it's no good saying the main parties should try to appease that sort of mindset,"

That is ridiculous, it is like saying that the main parties should have ignored the green issues.

Really? We should consider abolishing health and safety and planning laws, equality legislation, maternity rights, and child protection laws, and bringing back corporal and capital punishment to appease right wing ranters? Even if we only do a fraction of that, it's the start of a very slippery slope.

Sundaypolitics, it's more a matter of looking at your question the other way round. What evidence is there that Spain would have been immune from the effects of the recession if it had not been in the EU?

I think the main thread is most people are voting ukip as a protest vote .and why not I mean u are allowed to vote who the hang you want to.dispite what your neighbours might think .

Argh apologies my you = u, I hate that. It autocorrections or I didn't type properly. Sorry!!