To be upset that there are 3 Ukip posters up in houses down my road :(

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It is a pretty working class street, some council, some privately owned houses. Not sure if that is relevant but WHY the fuck would you advertise the fact that you are a fuckwit? All of the people with the notices up are older people - older than me, which is 43 (im not older!!!! - ok, maybe a bit).

Its pretty worrying really that what i would normally see as very respectable folk have been sucked in by this bullshit?

This is a conservative ward, and although dissilussioned with the previous gov i have always voted labour - i am going to have to vote bloody tory in a half beat effort to keep Ukip out of the area :(

My DD lives in a town with a ukip counsellor - its fucking dire and getting worse :(

UKIP would put an end to most legislation regarding matters such as weekly working hours, holidays … overtime, redundancy or sick pay etc. and provide a statutory, standard, very short employment contract template … those employers who offer relatively generous terms would be able to use this in their advertising and might be able to attract better candidates or pay slightly lower salaries, and the reverse would apply to employers who demand longer working hours, or offer fewer holidays or fewer days’ sick pay etc.”

www.ier.org.uk/blog/ukip-workplace

"UKIP plans to simplify the welfare state by getting rid of all benefits and replacing it with a ‘Basic Cash Benefit’ of around £64 per week for parents aged 25 and above."

www.ier.org.uk/blog/ukip-workplace

turgiday most of this is from the defunct 2010 policy the rest is opinion

I quoted 2 from the current manifesto. In the other issues, UKIP says nothing on its manifesto about these issues. So they are quotes from Farange. The current manifesto actually has hardly any policies in it at all. Presumably because most of what UKIP stands for is so objectionable?

If you really must make a protest vote, why not green? Or anything anything more palatable than that bunch of utter, racist, fuckwits?

Aside from their stance on the EU, they don't actually have a fucking clue what they want to achieve, or how to go about doing it.

I saw an analogy on FB - voting for UKIP as a protest about the two main parties is like protesting about poor service in a hotel by taking a dump in the bed. The service is still poor and now you have to sleep in your own shit.

HopALongOn - the greens have been an utter disaster in brighton

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-25976843

Then spoil your ballot and write to your local MPs and councillors about your concerns. There are ways of engaging in politics without voting for bloody UKIP.

Jess88, that report is related to the fact that the Greens were proposing a council tax rise to support adult social care (in particular, care for the elderly) in the face of substantial government cuts. The delightful Conservatives didn't want to fund this at all, whilst Labour was proposing a slightly lower tax rise. None of that supports the view that the Greens are proving to be an "utter disaster".

And Gingham, I hardly think what the leader of a party says is simply a matter of opinion.

Of course immigrants can work at minimum wage when several of them may be living in one house so the rent is split - an example is my neighbours, 8 people living in a semi. The same wage won't cut it for a single person or 4 person family who has a high rent or mortgage to pay. Simple economics.

I'm not white, a daughter of immigrants, but I see why UKIP appeals. The main parties have the real concerns of much of the electorate, especially the working class.

Anyone on MN actually live in an area with a high immigrant population?

that should read the main parties have IGNORED many real concerns of the electorate.

Has

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Has anyone considered that some UKIP supporters don't actually

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Has anyone considered that some UKIP supporters don't actually

Well this is going well! Ahem.

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Has anyone considered that some voting for UKIP just want to see the UK out of the EU? Lots of people have valid reasons for this and as UKIP are the only party who actually seem serious about doing this, are the obvious choice for a lot of voters. They possibly do disagree with other UKIP policies, but the EU thing takes presidence. I don't think it makes people awful just to want this simple thing.

There were lots of things below the surface, that are now surfacing. People were not happy but couldnt say so. Now they look they they are about to say so.

If immigration stopped tomorrow our hospitals would cease to run, along with a number of other public services. There are people that travel thousands of miles for a job while British people won't travel 10 miles. They pay tax, take no pension, we don't have to educate them because they come as adults. They claim no benefits.

Our country literally would not survive with migration.

People need to wake up to what they are voting for.

The poster who said about the young man working with Poles could learn Polish...My son did just that..he is a chef and works with a lot of eastern Europeans he now speaks fluent Polish, Estonian and 2 other languages can't remember which
His French teacher at school would be astounded! remembers some interesting parents evenings

If you really must make a protest vote, why not green? Because in many cases the protest is against the UK's membership of the EU. It's hard to see how voting Green would make that point.

Personally I want out of Europe. Not because I don't like Europeans, but because I think it's fundamentally undemocratic. I doubt I will vote UKIP in the parliamentary elections, but I am increasingly exasperated by the way those who question the benign nature of the EU are dismissed as thickos or little Englanders.

I'm also exasperated by the way anyone objecting to Schengen is invariably accused of being a right-winger. The free movement of labour across the EU is not a left-wing policy. Quite the opposite. The point isn't some warm and fuzzy idea of enriching us all by creating lovely pluralist, diverse societies around Europe. The point is to enable free market capitalism to operate.

In other words, to facilitate open competition for jobs in as wide an area as possible, thus driving down wages and driving up productivity. Which means that while GDP may go up, the winner is not labour but capital. Not ordinary working people but those who are already rich. In its conception, Schengen is pretty Thatcherite - it's free market capitalism red in tooth and claw.

So everyone on this thread defending the EU's open border policy is a Thatcherite. No, really, you are. You've all been conned by Tony Blair's equality and diversity schtick into defending a free-market capitalist political agreement in the name of left-wing ethics.

Again, this isn't necessarily an argument for voting UKIP. But I would suggest reading up a bit more on the EU's political structures before you assume, ipso facto, that more Europe = lovely nice clever person who is like me, and less Europe = horrid nasty bigot.

People were not happy with the level of immigration, but couldnt for fear of the racist label.

Looks like they are now going to have their say.

And yes, racists and people on that list will have their say too.

People seem angry even if they are not saying so publically.