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AIBU to keep this from my Husband? and what would you do?

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waffilyversati1e · 02/05/2014 16:35

OH and I have been together for 12 years. We have ds (mine from a previous relationship but OH is the only Dad he has ever had) who is 13 and DD who is 8 and then one on the way.

Ds is a good lad, bit lacking in motivation perhaps and is hopeless at looking after anything but kids are kids I suppose. Anyway, about a yr ago a 6th form student started helping out in his class. Ds talked about this kid more and more and after a few weeks asked if he could invite him over for tea, ds had been falling behind in maths and this 6th former was helping him during the lesson and had offered to bring over some books to help him catch up. He came over and sat and helped Ds with his homework and we chatted a little about his career plans (wants to be a primary school teacher) and it was ok.

Then ds would ask if he could go over to the 17 yr olds house after school some days but I was reluctant to be perfectly honest to encourage this friendship. I found it odd that a 17yr old would want to hang out with a 12 yr old. Just a gut feeling that didn't quite sit right?
My ds had a facebook account with the condition that I also had the password and he kept it what he posted appropriate generally.

After an occasion when he didn't come home after school I logged into his facebook to contact a few of his friends. It turned out he had gone to the 17 yr olds house. I messaged and asked him if ds was there. He said no. I messaged again and told him that they had been seen together so I was giving him the opportunity to tell the truth before I lost my temper. He said ok, ds was there but that he didnt want to talk to me. I said that he can want what he likes but as he is 12 he doesn't actually get to choose, I said I was leaving the house in 5mins and I expected to see ds walking down the road to meet me otherwise I would have no choice but to knock on the door and have a conversation with him and his mum about why it is not acceptable for someone in a position of trust within a classroom to continue a friendship with a child outside of school whether that person is 17 or not. As far as I was concerned his lie about my ds being with him is reason enough for me to trust my gut and ask him to stay away from ds.

Anyway. All was quiet and normal for a few weeks and we went into town one saturday. Ds wanted to go off with his cousin (also 12) to games workshop for an hour so I said that was absolutely fine but to meet me at a certain time and place. As I was walking toward the place at which we were to meet I saw the 17 yr old walking away from ds. I told ds how disappointed I was that he had not done as I had asked and stopped contact with the 17yr old - we had an arguement and ds told me that the 17yr old had confided in him that he was gay so ds felt like it was his duty to be his friend. I said I could understand why he would feel that way and I was proud that he wanted to be supportive but that frankly it didnt make much difference to me as to how I felt about their friendship (I had already suspected having seen facebook messages from the 17yr old to ds about how he thought he was attractive, MANY posts about how girls would be lucky to have him as a boyfriend and 1 conversation when ds was ill about how the 17yr old would look after him..)
... Monday morning I called the school and spoke to his head of year about what was going and what had happened but I didnt mention about the 17yr old coming out as I knew that the 17 yr old hadnt spoken to anyone else and would feel terrible if he had got a negative reaction because I would have wanted the friendship to end whether this kid was gay or straight - got to be honest though it didnt help.
I explained that I really didnt want to get the 17yr old into trouble but that I was concerned and felt that I had run out of options. She agreed that it was completely inappropriate and said she would speak to them both.

This was last year. I recently found out that they were still in sporadic contact by facebook message. I blew my top (not my finest moment) and grounded ds.

Yesterday he asked if he could go out after school to a friends house. I said that was fine. He was 2 hours late and I was pretty worried/pissed off by the time he walked in. He lied about where he had been and after being shouted at by me he owned up and said that he had been.... at the 17yr olds house! The 17 yr old is no longer working at ds' school by the way, his placement has been moved.
I literally had no words for how angry I felt and he was grounded and sent to his room. I told him he could spend the evening doing a page of writing.

When I went to bed I found the page of writing. It was a letter addressed to me detailing how he felt he could talk to the (now) 18yr old about his feelings in a way he couldnt speak to anyone else and that he wanted me to know that he is Bisexual and has a boyfriend.

Now, this wasnt a total surprise as he asked me a few weeks ago how I would feel if he or his sister told me that they were gay as his friend was talking about coming out to his mum. I told him that all I want for my children is to meet someone who tries to love them as much as I do. Whether that person is called Jack or Jill matters very little to me - what matters is respect and love.

So I read this letter last night. Ds said in the letter that he didnt want to talk about it and begged me not to tell OH because he believes OH would react badly. He might be right, he wouldn't blow up or anything but he certainly would find it difficult to be supportive i think.
So I haven't. I haven't mentioned it to anyone, just carried on as we were. I feel absolutely no different that his punishment for going against my wishes with regard to the 18yr old is that he be grounded but I don't want him to not have anyone to speak to if he feels he needs to.

what a mess. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom??? (and thank you for sticking with it if you got this far!!)

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KristinaM · 03/05/2014 07:59

Of course your son sees you as controlling. This is what this man will have told him. That you are trying to stop their " relationship ".

He will also have told your son that if he comes out to you, you will be angry and rejecting and won't accept him. You will confiscate his phone etc, because you are homophobic and can't accept his sexuality.

And of course , that's exactly what has happened, from your sons point of view.

Adults who groom children try to separate them from their family and friends. They imply that their family don't love or accept them, and the groomer is the only one they can trust, who really understands them.

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waffilyversati1e · 03/05/2014 09:14

I spoke to ds this morning. He seemed relieved to be able to talk about things and all was going well until he brought up the older lad. I asked him outright whether he was the boyfriend and he said absolutely not..

I got ds to write down his passwords this morning so that I could log into his facebook. I went through the conversations with this older lad and did find messages between them. Not a lot really but one stood out..
(changed names obviously)



Older lad:
I am on skype
heart broken


ds:
why!?


Older lad:
why. WHY. WHY



ds:
just cuz i wouldnt kiss yer!?

Older Lad: maybe
could be that



ds:
it is that/isnt it/

There was also one saying "I bloody love you and want to kiss you" and another where he said I love you and ds said yeah in a brotherly way, older lads response was "in a brotherly way don't count" and another where they had arranged to meet and one of the things older lad said was (regarding me) "if you choose her, I will understand" erm what?!

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waffilyversati1e · 03/05/2014 09:16

Oh and when we were talking about the older lad and I was yet again explaining why the age gap was such an issue etc ds came out with that he has spoken to his teachers yesterday about the whole thing and THEY SAID IT WAS OK!!! They said it was great that he could speak to him as he has gone through similar.

I am fucking steaming about that.

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CaptainSinker · 03/05/2014 09:21

Contact the police.

Let them investigate the skype and social media. Seriously, this young man sounds very predatory and may be trying to exploit your sons emergent sexuality. He is already grooming and pressurising your son. If he does not succeed it abusing him he may target another child.

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slithytove · 03/05/2014 09:22

Ok it is clearly grooming, again imagine an 18 year old man in a position of responsibility asking a 13 year old girl for kisses, making them feel bad for saying no, and asking them to choose between him and family.

Alarm bells are ringing. Loudly.

I would equally be fuming about his teachers comments, and would gently enquire as to which teacher it was and find out exactly what had been said - without taking it as gospel that DS has repeated it exactly until you find out for yourself. Equally, DS may have given the impression it's a sort of older brother relationship. Talk to them, put them in the picture and get them supporting you both.

Are you still ringing NSPCC and police today? I think you should. I also think you should print/print screen and save those facebook messages.

Have a look on the older boys facebook page too in case there is anything to worry about there.

Hold off on discussing the facebook messages with DS until you have taken advice from the above organisations.

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waffilyversati1e · 03/05/2014 09:28

might be a bit late for that, I asked him about the messages already (and changed the password to his facebook so he cannot log in and delete them) and he said that the older lad told him he was either joking or in one case he was drunk.. or at least that's what he told him anyway.

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CaptainSinker · 03/05/2014 09:28

Just read everything again.

For fucks sake go to the police! I can guarantee you they will take it extremely seriously. Protect your child. I understand that this situation has been developing but for an outsider it is easy to see what is happening.

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peggyundercrackers · 03/05/2014 09:31

From those messages it's obvious your sd sees the older person as more of a brother than a bit however the older man is obviously trying to coerce him into other things, If there was a man doing this to our child my DP would want to go round and kill him. You kneed to go to the police with these messages.

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SnakeyMcBadass · 03/05/2014 09:33

Police. Immediately. Your son is vulnerable. Protect him.

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eddielizzard · 03/05/2014 09:35

i have absolute faith that you will handle this right.

i don't think the 18yo is the boyfriend, but he clearly is a risk.

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slithytove · 03/05/2014 09:37

Fair enough. Did you explain to him the inappropriateness of the messages and the illegality of anything between them?

Not sure what's for the best, NSPCC will advise I hope.

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slithytove · 03/05/2014 09:38

Oh and I think in light of the messaging, you need to tell OH. You can explain to DS it's nothing to do it with his sexuality, it is safeguarding if he asks. Its not fair that he doesn't know, and not fair that you have to deal with this alone.

I would be shocked and hurt to find that something had gone on with my son necessitating the police etc but that I had been kept in the dark.

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slithytove · 03/05/2014 09:39

I think the 18yo could easily be the bf. When are the kissing messages from?

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magpiegin · 03/05/2014 09:45

I once again agree with the others. Tell your husband about the messages (you do not need to mention his sexual orientation) and contact the police. You need to tell your husband, imagine if he was keeping this from you?

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/05/2014 09:49

Even if he isnt the boyfriend he has obviously tried very hard to be, which is very wrong.

Please show these messages to the police.

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Sallystyle · 03/05/2014 09:55

Tell your husband, now.

And call the police if you haven't already done so.

Do not wait, act now.

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ohnoyou · 03/05/2014 10:15

I think you should tell your Dh everything, you need to tackle this together. Take advice from the police and keep your son away from this 18 year old.
The 18 year old has acted, at best inappropriately and you have a duty to do the right thing by your son. Your son may not understand your actions now, but, in 10 years time he will know that you did what you did to protect him.
I have a similar age son, and he'll often try to get me to keep things from his Dad, not an option were in it together, because we both want what is best for our son.

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aufweidersehenpet · 03/05/2014 10:15

If you do nothing your son is at risk. You are the adult he is a child.

I'm not sure whether your son is straight/bi/gay but I think that his letter to you is almost a cry for help. He is looking to you to help him get out of a situation.

Your son's request to keep your DH out of this because of his reaction - could be because of the way your DH may confront the 18yr old not about whether your DH is unsympathetic to your son's sexuality.

This seems to me to be a child protection/safeguarding issue. I'm not sure whether SS or the police would be the first point of call - there are probably others on the thread who have experience of who to contact.

You have to keep your son safe, that must be your priority.

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Kissmequick123 · 03/05/2014 10:28

You need to contact the police and run everything by them. Son is clearly being groomed. It doesn't matter if the 18 year old was drunk or joking. It's unacceptable full stop. The 18 year old man may be grooming other children too. Who know?

Police is your only option. He is clearly a risk to young people.

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Kissmequick123 · 03/05/2014 10:30

It's 100% a child protection issue. Needs to be sorted officially.

Ifs completely fine for your DS to be bisexual but it is not ok to be groomed by an adult.

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Fairenuff · 03/05/2014 10:36

OP I don't know why you are asking your ds for explanations.

  1. He is a child being manipulated by an adult
  2. He is being groomed and you need to contact the police

    Also, I can't understand how you don't know for sure how your dh would react if he was told ds is gay/bi. Surely in any relationship that's the sort of thing you would talk about. I thought all couples would make sure that they are on the same page with that, it's pretty fundamental. Or is it just me?

    If it were my ds I would tell him that a marriage means being honest with each other and not keeping secrets so I would want to tell dh. Also, it would be easier if the three of you can discuss it all openly instead of sneaking around each other.

    But all that aside, call the police. Today. Don't forget, he will probably be grooming other boys too and their parents may not be aware of it. You know what's happening, you must act now. Don't put it off any longer.
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Shelby2010 · 03/05/2014 10:47

Don't want to add to your worries, but I think you should find out who the 'boyfriend' is, as there is a possibility that he could have met another older boy/young adult whilst in the company of the 18 yr old.

Also are you sure the 18 yr old hasn't given him a new phone, sounds suspicious that he hasn't missed having one?

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CrystalSkulls · 03/05/2014 10:50

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CaptainSinker · 03/05/2014 10:53

Very common for abusers to give phones or phone credit while grooming, you might be right Shelby.

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Joysmum · 03/05/2014 10:57

Have you told your DH yet? You need to be able to tackle this together, your DS doesn't need to know he knows and DH can be more sensitive and encourage him to talk in his own good time.

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