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AIBU to keep this from my Husband? and what would you do?

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waffilyversati1e · 02/05/2014 16:35

OH and I have been together for 12 years. We have ds (mine from a previous relationship but OH is the only Dad he has ever had) who is 13 and DD who is 8 and then one on the way.

Ds is a good lad, bit lacking in motivation perhaps and is hopeless at looking after anything but kids are kids I suppose. Anyway, about a yr ago a 6th form student started helping out in his class. Ds talked about this kid more and more and after a few weeks asked if he could invite him over for tea, ds had been falling behind in maths and this 6th former was helping him during the lesson and had offered to bring over some books to help him catch up. He came over and sat and helped Ds with his homework and we chatted a little about his career plans (wants to be a primary school teacher) and it was ok.

Then ds would ask if he could go over to the 17 yr olds house after school some days but I was reluctant to be perfectly honest to encourage this friendship. I found it odd that a 17yr old would want to hang out with a 12 yr old. Just a gut feeling that didn't quite sit right?
My ds had a facebook account with the condition that I also had the password and he kept it what he posted appropriate generally.

After an occasion when he didn't come home after school I logged into his facebook to contact a few of his friends. It turned out he had gone to the 17 yr olds house. I messaged and asked him if ds was there. He said no. I messaged again and told him that they had been seen together so I was giving him the opportunity to tell the truth before I lost my temper. He said ok, ds was there but that he didnt want to talk to me. I said that he can want what he likes but as he is 12 he doesn't actually get to choose, I said I was leaving the house in 5mins and I expected to see ds walking down the road to meet me otherwise I would have no choice but to knock on the door and have a conversation with him and his mum about why it is not acceptable for someone in a position of trust within a classroom to continue a friendship with a child outside of school whether that person is 17 or not. As far as I was concerned his lie about my ds being with him is reason enough for me to trust my gut and ask him to stay away from ds.

Anyway. All was quiet and normal for a few weeks and we went into town one saturday. Ds wanted to go off with his cousin (also 12) to games workshop for an hour so I said that was absolutely fine but to meet me at a certain time and place. As I was walking toward the place at which we were to meet I saw the 17 yr old walking away from ds. I told ds how disappointed I was that he had not done as I had asked and stopped contact with the 17yr old - we had an arguement and ds told me that the 17yr old had confided in him that he was gay so ds felt like it was his duty to be his friend. I said I could understand why he would feel that way and I was proud that he wanted to be supportive but that frankly it didnt make much difference to me as to how I felt about their friendship (I had already suspected having seen facebook messages from the 17yr old to ds about how he thought he was attractive, MANY posts about how girls would be lucky to have him as a boyfriend and 1 conversation when ds was ill about how the 17yr old would look after him..)
... Monday morning I called the school and spoke to his head of year about what was going and what had happened but I didnt mention about the 17yr old coming out as I knew that the 17 yr old hadnt spoken to anyone else and would feel terrible if he had got a negative reaction because I would have wanted the friendship to end whether this kid was gay or straight - got to be honest though it didnt help.
I explained that I really didnt want to get the 17yr old into trouble but that I was concerned and felt that I had run out of options. She agreed that it was completely inappropriate and said she would speak to them both.

This was last year. I recently found out that they were still in sporadic contact by facebook message. I blew my top (not my finest moment) and grounded ds.

Yesterday he asked if he could go out after school to a friends house. I said that was fine. He was 2 hours late and I was pretty worried/pissed off by the time he walked in. He lied about where he had been and after being shouted at by me he owned up and said that he had been.... at the 17yr olds house! The 17 yr old is no longer working at ds' school by the way, his placement has been moved.
I literally had no words for how angry I felt and he was grounded and sent to his room. I told him he could spend the evening doing a page of writing.

When I went to bed I found the page of writing. It was a letter addressed to me detailing how he felt he could talk to the (now) 18yr old about his feelings in a way he couldnt speak to anyone else and that he wanted me to know that he is Bisexual and has a boyfriend.

Now, this wasnt a total surprise as he asked me a few weeks ago how I would feel if he or his sister told me that they were gay as his friend was talking about coming out to his mum. I told him that all I want for my children is to meet someone who tries to love them as much as I do. Whether that person is called Jack or Jill matters very little to me - what matters is respect and love.

So I read this letter last night. Ds said in the letter that he didnt want to talk about it and begged me not to tell OH because he believes OH would react badly. He might be right, he wouldn't blow up or anything but he certainly would find it difficult to be supportive i think.
So I haven't. I haven't mentioned it to anyone, just carried on as we were. I feel absolutely no different that his punishment for going against my wishes with regard to the 18yr old is that he be grounded but I don't want him to not have anyone to speak to if he feels he needs to.

what a mess. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom??? (and thank you for sticking with it if you got this far!!)

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slithytove · 06/05/2014 19:17

Its not that puzzling if he has been encouraged down that road by the 18 year old.

And fwiw, though maybe kids don't come out at that age, I'm pretty sure they know who they fancy.

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ClarksonsPerm · 06/05/2014 17:32

If your 12 year old told you that he/she was straight, would you say it was too early to tell, Bubble?

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BubbleButt79 · 06/05/2014 16:29

I realise this may seem a bit misplaced, having only read the first page....

You are completely right to be concerned about the relationship between a 12 year old and an 18 year old, it's not right outside of school hours.

Also - quite why you wouldn't tell your partner is beyond me, especially something of this scale.

Lastly - at 12, I really doubt that people know their sexuality, quite how he knows he want to "come out" is puzzling.

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waffilyversati1e · 06/05/2014 12:57

Lez I strongly disagree that in order to not lose my son I need to allow and enable something which in the long term can/will have extreme effects on his emotional/physical well being.
IMO its my job as his Mother to protect him, I am not looking for him to like me - I am hoping that when he is an adult he will feel able to reflect on what is happening within our family right now and feel like he was kept safe and be able to respect and understand that no matter his objection l would never put him in a position of having to be an adult before he is ready.

he doesn't like what I am doing and have done in reporting his "friend" because he feels emotionally tied to this man.
This man who said in a message to my son that being told that my son loved him in a brotherly way didn't count and was pushing him to the edge of a cliff every time he said it.. Now that would be damaging for me to hear from someone I care about now aged 32, no 13 year old should have to feel burdened in that way.

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Fairenuff · 06/05/2014 08:17

lez Shock

Are you ok? Are you in a similar situation because if so I suggest you call childline 0800 1111 and speak with them very frankly. It is anonymous I believe.

OP I agree with others who have explained how grooming works and the sorts of things the man could have said to your child. Also, bear in mind that if he turns nasty he could threaten to blackmail the boy, so be aware of that too.

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KristinaM · 06/05/2014 04:55

Grooming is a form of psychological manipulation. Part of it is to convince the victim ( and sometimes even their parents ) that's it's a " relationship" rather than abuse

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AnyFucker · 05/05/2014 22:40

Some people, in their rush to look so right-on in their support of children's sexuality, start to look like child abusers themselves.

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EverythingsDozy · 05/05/2014 21:22

Surely you can stop a "relationship" between an adult and a child whether they are in it or not!
I'm not sure that it is a fully consenting relationship between a 13yo and an 18yo who is physically and emotionally more mature and who has shown significant grooming potential. The 13yo, regardless how clever or wise he may be, cannot consent 100% to this "relationship" because he won't be fully aware of all the facts that come with adult relationships! Rightly so, too! A 13yo doesn't need to know these things, he needs to be a child instead of being forced to "grow up" because some idiot took advantage!

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softlysoftly · 05/05/2014 20:53

Shock @ Lez

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fubbsy · 05/05/2014 20:47

lbh you really need to read the thread. The OP's ds has said the 18 year old is not his boyfriend, they are not together. The OP and ds have made a report to the police, who consider it a child protection issue and are following it up.

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CaptainSinker · 05/05/2014 20:41

Lez are you seriously suggesting the OP should be enabling her 12 year old child to have sex with an adult? I hope to fuck you don't have kids. The OP has rightly gone to the police.

An adult and child isn't a gay relationship. It is abuse.

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lezbehappy · 05/05/2014 20:35

Support your son if you don't want to loose him. Being gay is rarely just a phase and trying to correct it can end up causing mental illness.
I do have a problem with the 18 year old behaving the way he did... and (did I get this right?) training in a school...as long as they are together you cannot do anything about it...but when it is finished I would consider going to the police. I would raise your son's awareness on sexual consent. He might be too young to fully understand it. He is feeling valued by this older guy's attentions. You can take the opportunity to raise this by 'wanting to address safe sex' important too. Some clinics dealing with sexual health also do a fantastic job regarding awareness of emotional and mental issues around consent...not a choice, take him to the clinic if he is in a relationship! Hugs to you!

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Hairylegs47 · 05/05/2014 18:40

Well done! I'm proud of you - not that it's worth much I know.

Thing is, how many 18 year olds would say to a 12 year old 'I have feeling for you'??? From what you've said your son has rebuffed him a bit too. That must've been quite difficult for your son.

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EverythingsDozy · 05/05/2014 01:12

Agree with a PP. Your boy could quite easily have been persuaded to do things or say things to this 18yo. To keep him happy, because he believes no one his age likes him etc. It's hard for someone to say "I don't like you like that" when someone says "I have feelings for you".

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KristinaM · 05/05/2014 01:03

Please try not to be too hurt about all the " my friend so the only one I can trust, my parents aren't there for me " stuff. That's exactly the line that this man has been feeding him. It's part of the grooming process, to separate him emotionally from his friends and family.

Hence all the " I don't have any friends my own age " too.

He wants your son to believe that he is the only one who really understands him and that he can't trust anyone else. And that if the school or you object to their " friendship " , it's because you are homophobic. That's why he's told your son to keep it secret. Not because they are doing anything wrong, but simply because others won't understand .

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DrinkMoreWater · 04/05/2014 21:57

Oh poor wee lad :( It's a hard age. However, that's why we have parents, to keep us safe when we think we know better! Hopefully now he's told you he's not sure about boys/girls/both... maybe he will be able to talk to you more?! Not many kids that age talk to their parents about stuff like this and pretty much all kids have other people who they think 'get them' or they can 'talk to' - it's life isn't it and it doesn't mean you have let your DS down... it's just the way of the world x

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waffilyversati1e · 04/05/2014 21:44

SolitudeSometimesIs thank you. Thank you to all of you who have replied. You have really helped me to feel strong enough to carry this through and I appreciate it immensely

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waffilyversati1e · 04/05/2014 21:42

he was cross but said he could see from looking at the print outs why I would be worried but seems to think I have taken them out of context. I said that was ok and if I have then that's the conclusion the police and college will come to. I do think he understands I am trying to protect him but in doing so he will be losing his friend - when the policeman left the room he said as much and cried about nobody his own age liking him Sad

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DrinkMoreWater · 04/05/2014 21:34

How was DS afterwards - was he OK or angry at you for making him talk to them?

That 18 year old shouldn't be on a placement and I hope he is removed. Apart from breaking the rules about out of school contact and your instructions to leave DS alone - he is far far older than your DS & it's totally wrong of him, at 18, to be fancying 12 year olds.

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SolitudeSometimesIs · 04/05/2014 21:28

My words are just words on a screen!

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SolitudeSometimesIs · 04/05/2014 21:27

I just wanted to offer you some support. You are handling this wonderfully. I know it's just words on a screen but I think you have been so strong.

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Foodylicious · 04/05/2014 20:59

I think you needs to give your DS massive praise for not being pressured into changing the relationship into something more. He might have been under quite a lot of pressure. You have a strong little boy there!

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waffilyversati1e · 04/05/2014 20:55

ds was very nervous and I could see that he was very much trying to play down what had been said between them in an attempt to protect him. I do get it but its so difficult to sit and listen to ds say that this 18yr old has been there for him when nobody else (including me) has. Sad

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waffilyversati1e · 04/05/2014 20:51

Yes I have a crime number. He said he was logging it as suspected grooming of a minor (or words to that effect) but that he wasn't sure the content of the messages warranted arrest - I said I could see that the messages could have been much worse and I was relieved to a point that they weren't (I say to a point because obviously I was upset at finding any of them - came across one today when I was printing them in which he out and out told ds "you know I have feelings for you" errr!?!?! - ds response was "yeah I know, and you know I love you like a brother) but really I don't care what happens as long it is investigated and the result is that ds is safe and the kids on the 18 yr olds placement are safe.

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EverythingsDozy · 04/05/2014 20:40

Glad it went okay. How have DP and DS reacted? Thanks

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