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AIBU to keep this from my Husband? and what would you do?

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waffilyversati1e · 02/05/2014 16:35

OH and I have been together for 12 years. We have ds (mine from a previous relationship but OH is the only Dad he has ever had) who is 13 and DD who is 8 and then one on the way.

Ds is a good lad, bit lacking in motivation perhaps and is hopeless at looking after anything but kids are kids I suppose. Anyway, about a yr ago a 6th form student started helping out in his class. Ds talked about this kid more and more and after a few weeks asked if he could invite him over for tea, ds had been falling behind in maths and this 6th former was helping him during the lesson and had offered to bring over some books to help him catch up. He came over and sat and helped Ds with his homework and we chatted a little about his career plans (wants to be a primary school teacher) and it was ok.

Then ds would ask if he could go over to the 17 yr olds house after school some days but I was reluctant to be perfectly honest to encourage this friendship. I found it odd that a 17yr old would want to hang out with a 12 yr old. Just a gut feeling that didn't quite sit right?
My ds had a facebook account with the condition that I also had the password and he kept it what he posted appropriate generally.

After an occasion when he didn't come home after school I logged into his facebook to contact a few of his friends. It turned out he had gone to the 17 yr olds house. I messaged and asked him if ds was there. He said no. I messaged again and told him that they had been seen together so I was giving him the opportunity to tell the truth before I lost my temper. He said ok, ds was there but that he didnt want to talk to me. I said that he can want what he likes but as he is 12 he doesn't actually get to choose, I said I was leaving the house in 5mins and I expected to see ds walking down the road to meet me otherwise I would have no choice but to knock on the door and have a conversation with him and his mum about why it is not acceptable for someone in a position of trust within a classroom to continue a friendship with a child outside of school whether that person is 17 or not. As far as I was concerned his lie about my ds being with him is reason enough for me to trust my gut and ask him to stay away from ds.

Anyway. All was quiet and normal for a few weeks and we went into town one saturday. Ds wanted to go off with his cousin (also 12) to games workshop for an hour so I said that was absolutely fine but to meet me at a certain time and place. As I was walking toward the place at which we were to meet I saw the 17 yr old walking away from ds. I told ds how disappointed I was that he had not done as I had asked and stopped contact with the 17yr old - we had an arguement and ds told me that the 17yr old had confided in him that he was gay so ds felt like it was his duty to be his friend. I said I could understand why he would feel that way and I was proud that he wanted to be supportive but that frankly it didnt make much difference to me as to how I felt about their friendship (I had already suspected having seen facebook messages from the 17yr old to ds about how he thought he was attractive, MANY posts about how girls would be lucky to have him as a boyfriend and 1 conversation when ds was ill about how the 17yr old would look after him..)
... Monday morning I called the school and spoke to his head of year about what was going and what had happened but I didnt mention about the 17yr old coming out as I knew that the 17 yr old hadnt spoken to anyone else and would feel terrible if he had got a negative reaction because I would have wanted the friendship to end whether this kid was gay or straight - got to be honest though it didnt help.
I explained that I really didnt want to get the 17yr old into trouble but that I was concerned and felt that I had run out of options. She agreed that it was completely inappropriate and said she would speak to them both.

This was last year. I recently found out that they were still in sporadic contact by facebook message. I blew my top (not my finest moment) and grounded ds.

Yesterday he asked if he could go out after school to a friends house. I said that was fine. He was 2 hours late and I was pretty worried/pissed off by the time he walked in. He lied about where he had been and after being shouted at by me he owned up and said that he had been.... at the 17yr olds house! The 17 yr old is no longer working at ds' school by the way, his placement has been moved.
I literally had no words for how angry I felt and he was grounded and sent to his room. I told him he could spend the evening doing a page of writing.

When I went to bed I found the page of writing. It was a letter addressed to me detailing how he felt he could talk to the (now) 18yr old about his feelings in a way he couldnt speak to anyone else and that he wanted me to know that he is Bisexual and has a boyfriend.

Now, this wasnt a total surprise as he asked me a few weeks ago how I would feel if he or his sister told me that they were gay as his friend was talking about coming out to his mum. I told him that all I want for my children is to meet someone who tries to love them as much as I do. Whether that person is called Jack or Jill matters very little to me - what matters is respect and love.

So I read this letter last night. Ds said in the letter that he didnt want to talk about it and begged me not to tell OH because he believes OH would react badly. He might be right, he wouldn't blow up or anything but he certainly would find it difficult to be supportive i think.
So I haven't. I haven't mentioned it to anyone, just carried on as we were. I feel absolutely no different that his punishment for going against my wishes with regard to the 18yr old is that he be grounded but I don't want him to not have anyone to speak to if he feels he needs to.

what a mess. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom??? (and thank you for sticking with it if you got this far!!)

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Waltermittythesequel · 02/05/2014 21:26

Just so we're clear, I didn't mean speak to your ds about your plans to go to the p

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Waltermittythesequel · 02/05/2014 21:27

*police!

I meant try to establish what's going on with him first.

If he tells you that this man is his boyfriend then you'll know for sure!

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sarine1 · 02/05/2014 21:29

The 18 year old has accessed your son via the school. The school's safeguarding procedures would therefore cover this. In fact, the Head of Year that you originally spoke to should have flagged this up as a possible safeguarding concern Schools do have to deal with pupil to pupil relationships and quite significant age gaps and this one should raise concerns as others have stated, the age gap IS significant and the power dynamics very much in the older boy's favour.
The NSPCC can and will enable the referral for you and put you directly in contact with your relevant social services departments.
Good luck with the weekend - the fact that he's been talking (or writing) to you is hugely important and that's such a positive start with such a difficult situation.

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waffilyversati1e · 02/05/2014 21:45

Last year when the then 17yr old lied about ds being at his home I warned him there and then what the repercussions could be on his teaching career and I categorically told him then that if he didn't stay away I would be contacting the school to make them aware that he had continued to contact my son against my wishes. He accused me of attempting to threaten him, I said it wasn't a threat it was a warning. So he does know how strongly I feel and I was open in telling ds why I was concerned about them being friends and my reasons for forbidding it. The problem here was that ds came to the conclusion (with or without help from this older lad) that I was trying to control him.. which obviously I am to a bloody point!!

The school didn't seem to do much of anything though apart from remove the 17yr old from my ds' maths class at my demand - I suspect because the then 17yr olds placement was coming to an end and they hoped that him leaving the school would end all of this. Although they didn't say that I was being overbearing I did get the feeling that they weren't taking it overly seriously?

Waltermitty I agree that it would be useful to perhaps try to gage from ds whether the 18 yr old IS the boyfriend he mentioned. At least that way we would know for sure exactly what we are dealing with. I am not sticking my head in the sand by not rushing into reacting, the fact is that at this moment he is grounded completely so nothing electrical in his room, and hes not going anywhere so I know that nothing can escalate or change just now.

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Maryz · 02/05/2014 21:52

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goldenlilliesdaffodillies · 02/05/2014 21:55

I am afraid it does sound like grooming.

I would write down all your concerns in detail with dates and if there is any evidence print it out. Do you have any e-mails of your concerns to the school? If so print them out. Copy your sons letter. Put it all in a file and go and speak to someone such as the police or Childline. It will help you remember all the points and not miss anything out. I would tell your OH about the 18 year old grooming.

I would also contact the school again as it needs to go on the 18 year olds record for CRB checks etc. He could be applying for teaching training now he is 18.

Finally block the 18 year old from your sons Facebook account.

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JapaneseMargaret · 02/05/2014 22:06

Gosh OP, I'm glad you started this thread, if only to start to clarify in your own head how things are, or might, pan out. Hopefully you aren't being further alarmed by any of this.

I have to admit to one thought - this 18YO saying he wants to be a primary teacher... I wonder if that's even true. It's certainly a nice thing to say to normalise his tutoring of younger kids, and to lull supporting adults into a sense of security.

I wonder this, because why would you say you want to be a primary teacher, specifically...? Why wouldn't you just say 'teacher'? It suggests some thought has been put into it. Of course it's not out of the realms of possibility. Many people specifically do want to teach primary-aged kids. But when you add it into this lad's other grooming tendencies, well...

I guess my point is that he has created a situation for himself, by being untrustworthy, whereby you can't actually believe anything he says.

And then any warnings about putting his future career in jeopardy are rather meaningless.

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peggyundercrackers · 02/05/2014 22:07

Although you think your child is safe for the time being how do you know this other person isn't doing the same to another child? I couldn't live with myself thinking that and would go to the police and ask them to investigate, if he has done nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about.

Although you warned the 17yr old he obviously didn't heed the warning and has carried on as normal, your threats are empty and will only drive him forward thinking he can get away with it because you have backed down.

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AiryFairyHairyAndScary · 02/05/2014 22:09

There is lots of good advice on this thread.
OP, perhaps you could try and write down everything that has happened with the 18 year old so that you will have the information at hand when you speak to the school or police.

It's a bit of a random thought but do you have anywhere you could drive to with your son. I find that the car is a great place to have chats with adolescent boys - I think the fact that there is no eye contact helps as does the fact that it doesn't feel quite as staged as going out for a coffee and a CHAT with your mum IYSWIM - Obviously it depends on the kid and your relationship but it's always worked for me Smile.

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waffilyversati1e · 02/05/2014 22:11

No when I spoke to the school it was by telephone so no emails. I will be writing everything down tonight and then contacting the nspcc and police tomorrow.

Thank you for your replies, I think I was worried that I was being paranoid but its quite clear from your replies I am really not. I wish I had posted about this issue last year, I would probably have gone to the police back then if I had.

It makes me feel sick to think of what on earth could have been done/said between them and how he could have been influencing ds the whole time.
I honestly believed that ds hadn't had contact with him for ages but now I am starting to doubt that.
I have always been very vocal about staying safe on and off line but I suppose its hard to see it if its happening to you? ds needed someone after going through all of the bullying and I think this older lad saw him as vulnerable.

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AnandaTimeIn · 02/05/2014 22:25

Have not read the thread but I would be worried about grooming by the 18 year old...

Having said that, I would have no ptoblem with my son coming out LGBT. (in his own time).

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AiryFairyHairyAndScary · 02/05/2014 22:29

OP, you may also want to consider ramping up your sons internet/mobile phone security. There are ways to monitor everything he does online and by text and phone. I am not suggesting you want to spy on everything he does but it might be an idea to have a think about whether you want to monitor some aspects more carefully.

There are plenty of online guides on how to do it if you need them.

Norton Family allows you to monitor most things.

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Bloodyteenagers · 02/05/2014 22:33

It really doesn't matter that the messages have been deleted. You just need to know the log in details. If he has a mobile, it might also need to be taken away.

Go with your instincts.

As others have pointed out, volunteers are all made aware of safe guarding. They know that they are not allowed to contact anyone outside of that place as friends.

If you go to the police, you need to let your ds know. Yes he might delete anything that he has, but this is not an issue. You need to let them know because, from experience they will not talk to the 18 year old without questioning him.

As well as the nspcc, because of the fb messages you can also talk to ceop.

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Maryz · 02/05/2014 22:35

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AiryFairyHairyAndScary · 02/05/2014 22:36

OP, no one will mind if your suspicions are wrong and that the 18 year old turns out to be misguided and immature rather than predatory. You are just passing on your concerns.

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Rivercam · 02/05/2014 22:52

Waffling - I have sons similar ages to yours. I've been trying, and failing how I would react in your situation. My initial thought was I wouldn't tell dh, as it's ds's secret to tell.

However, I would be concerned about the 18 year old.it could all be a perfectly innocent friendship, but it think you need to follow your gut instinct.

I's good that your son feels able to talk to you. Like someone else has said, car journeys are great places to chat. I talk a lot to my sons in cars.

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Rivercam · 02/05/2014 22:53

I hope you resolve the situation satisfactorily. I'd be quite daunted by the steps you need to take now. Thinking if you.

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Rivercam · 02/05/2014 22:53

Thinking of you, not if you!

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50KnockingonabiT · 02/05/2014 23:37

Does your son have a mobile? Have you checked to see if there are messages on it?

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waffilyversati1e · 02/05/2014 23:41

He got a mobile for his 12th birthday (nothing flash just a basic phone) but after he didn't come home that day and lied it was confiscated and he didn't seem to miss it so no he doesn't have one. He has a hudl which has been taken off him for now

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waffilyversati1e · 02/05/2014 23:42

thanks rivercam, I am quite nervous about going to the police but I can see that the alternative could be that this whole situation snowballs.

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Cerisier · 03/05/2014 00:05

I am very disappointed the school didn't take your concerns seriously in the first place. They will have policies in place for child protection but were they followed? Was anything done at all?

I hope the next few days go well. I don't envy you for a minute having to deal with such a difficult situation.

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turgiday · 03/05/2014 00:20

I am sure this older lad saw him as vulnerable. And young gay and bisexual children are more vulnerable to young adults who take their feelings about their sexuality seriously.

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itsbetterthanabox · 03/05/2014 01:04

Don't tell your partner. Although why are you dating a homophobic man? Confused
Your son is clearly dating the 18 year old. You need to go there and speak to this man and tell him to leave your son alone and threaten police action. Your son is not the problem here he is a 12 year old. The man is.

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MistressDeeCee · 03/05/2014 02:50

Your DS is only 13, he's just a child and from what you've said, I do feel the older guy is influencing and grooming your son. It must be so upsetting for you. But he is your son - protect him. Id go to the police. Your DS is underage - this is an inappropriate 'relationship'

& "summersoft" that's food for thought indeed re. reactions if this were a 13 year old girl and an 18 year old man.

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