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to love UKIP?

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Hullygully · 01/05/2014 22:22

Every time a UKIP person speaks, they want to say rape within marriage is ok, Lenny Henry should go back to Black Land, bit too scared to stand in a by election just now...yet

PEOPLE ARE STILL DESPERATE TO VOTE FOR THEM.

What hope is there? Humanity is as truly doomed as ever.

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Mrsjayy · 02/05/2014 11:13

they do have local councillors though so it starts small although I don't think people are daft enough to vote for them as an MP

nomorequotes · 02/05/2014 11:15

I totally agree with you angelos

its the forcing others to do the same which is the issue.

HauntedNoddyCar · 02/05/2014 11:17

Bigdog the problem with your argument is fear. If the screening could lead to 'conditions' being placed on the baby such as no medical treatment on the NHS, then women will stop attending scans which could detect problems. They do not have to have a single scan if they don't want to.

So you end up with older mothers like me deciding not to have Down's screening so we cannot be advised to terminate. Or people with babies that have correctable issues not knowing about them and those issues causing far more problems because they weren't detected.

The solution then is to force scans on women which is a game changing situation.

bigdog888 · 02/05/2014 11:18

If I was pregnant and knew it was disabled to the extent it would have a lifetime of pain and suffering ahead of it, I would abort it. It would be cruel not to. I don't agree with forcing others to do the same though

This is exactly my point. I don't want anyone to be forced to do anything - however if in a scenario like this where termination is recommended by doctors - the parents should bare the additional costs if they choose to continue. The NHS doesn't have an unlimited pot of money. It's this entitlement culture that's part of the problem with this country.

thebodydoestricks · 02/05/2014 11:19

It would be a shame if this thread got detailed by discussing sbortion. Those threads, including my own, usually reach 1000 posts and then are shut.

I totally agree with HauntedNoddyCar

it contrasts nicely with labours intellectual socialism and the Tory's posh boy capitslism absolutely spot on.

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Hullygully · 02/05/2014 11:20

I agree thebody.

It's interesting to think about WHY Ukip are successful.

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Mrsjayy · 02/05/2014 11:21

we know exactly what you are saying bigdog you are being quite clear on the subject , you want people who have children with medical conditiions to pay for their care we know what you are saying doesn't make it any better i a solution, you still would want poor people to abort their babies ,

bigdog888 · 02/05/2014 11:24

Haunted that is a very good point. Like I say the danger is that the goal posts get moved and suddenly more and more women would be advised to terminate their pregnancies. In my ideal it would only be at the very extreme end with very serious abnormalities.

Twit · 02/05/2014 11:25

First it was any diagnosed 'defect/abnormality' now it's 'only' for an extremely rare life threatening/limiting diagnosis.
Hmm

twit it is fine when Ukip are in power they will have nice little instituitions communities for the disabled to live

Ah, that's nice, right next door to the un married women's home and the I have an opinion that isn't the same as yours hospital?

dawndonnaagain · 02/05/2014 11:25

But Bigdog You still haven't answered the question.

bigdog888 · 02/05/2014 11:26

we know exactly what you are sayingbigdogyou are being quite clear on the subject , you want people who have children with medical conditiions to pay for their care

Nope you clearly don't have a clue what I'm saying.

AlpacaYourThings · 02/05/2014 11:28

It's this entitlement culture that's part of the problem with this country.

Has to be one of the most cold hearted statements I've ever read.

What if it isn't conclusive? That there is a high chance that the child will have a life limiting illness but it isn't guaranteed - should they be aborted or suffer the cost if the baby isn't NT?

Do you think that people who make choices against NHS advice should also pay for the cost of their treatment?

The NHS recommend practising safe sex, if someone doesn't should they pay for STI tests and an abortion, if necessary?

The NHS recommend we don't smoke, should people who smoke pay for an cancer treatment?

The NHS recommend we eat a healthy well balanced diet, if we don't should we pay for any treatment that results from our poor diet?

Etc...

bigdog888 · 02/05/2014 11:30

First it was any diagnosed 'defect/abnormality'

No, sorry I didn't say that. I hope that early detection of abnormalities allows more people to make choices - this is a separate point about medical advice not to continue with a pregnancy.

bigdog888 · 02/05/2014 11:31

ButBigdogYou still haven't answered the question

Which question?

Twit · 02/05/2014 11:32

They start out sounding reasonable, you're not quite sure what they've meant by something, and they look and seem so normal compared to the others who have and are screwing us all over, until you actually start thinking, yes, I agree, you're right.

I don't btw.

Pagwatch · 02/05/2014 11:36

If a scan shows abnormalities then the mother/parents have conversations with her medical advisors about how to proceed.

So what exactly are those proposing a change actually propsing?

Could one of you explain please?
Because it started off being just short of forced abortion and now it's sounding a bit woolly.

Short words would be good. Clarity - you know.

HauntedNoddyCar · 02/05/2014 11:38

Yes once you open that door a little bit then successive government legislation or even quangos can push it a little further.

So I prefer to keep that door closed and trust parents to make their choices. The number of babies born in the category you are talking about is tiny and probably cost the public purse far less than say dealing with traffic accidents but they aren't suggesting banning cars.

Mrsjayy · 02/05/2014 11:40

I have never forgiven Nick clegg I hate him more than Cameron

I honestly don't understand why they get into Europe is it so they can police the MIllions of Romanians or something

StarlightMcKenzie · 02/05/2014 11:42

It's this entitlement culture that's part of the problem with this country

Whaaaaat?

Entitlement to life is now a bad thing?

I expect you would the same thing for entitlement to a decent living wage, a proper education, decent terms and conditions in the workplace, safe and affordable living accommodation, a fear-free childhood, and an entitlement not to be raped?

Twit · 02/05/2014 11:52

they let people release and print this stuff, thereby getting the message out, before retracting/wrist-slapping which makes them seem oh-so-reasonable again.

thebodydoestricks · 02/05/2014 11:56

Hully us agree that's the discussion we really need.

I honestly think it's a protest vote but unfortunately it's for a rather more vile and nasty party than the daft liberals/greens.

I honestly don't think it's about racism or Europe it's the lazy thought of they are all as bad as each other so let's vote different

I hate Clegg too.

Mrsjayy · 02/05/2014 11:59

I would rather vote the same and hope for the best than vote Ukip I hate how these parties always creep up was BNP for a while now it is UKIP both headed by Nicks Hmm

Amrapaali · 02/05/2014 12:08

I've said it on here before. Will say it again: the UK is sleep-walking towards fascism.

What is interesting about the UKIP is that it seems to be giving all the closet-racists a voice.

ouryve · 02/05/2014 12:08

UKIP's Nick is a Nige, Mrsjayy Wink

GobbolinoCat · 02/05/2014 12:11

I don't think the UK is remotely tolerant

We do a good job of it though, and we have laws in place to protect people.

Can you tell me of a place where there is no racism or prejudice?

It will always exist.

I am proud of Britains constant efforts to strive for more equality in all areas of life, from disabled people to the elderly and so on. We may not always get it right and YES there is a lot more to do, but at least we are a nation that does strive for it.