to love UKIP?

[Hullygully]

Every time a UKIP person speaks, they want to say rape within marriage is ok, Lenny Henry should go back to Black Land, bit too scared to stand in a by election just now...yet

PEOPLE ARE STILL DESPERATE TO VOTE FOR THEM.

What hope is there? Humanity is as truly doomed as ever.

[Pagwatch]

Of course.
And people are allowed to comment upon that as they wish.

[landrover]

I think we are all entitled to vote for who we like, thank you!

[dawndonnaagain]

When it is written on their website under the heading policy, one rather assumes it is policy. At least, that is what I thought when I looked at section six under the NHS policies and read "we shall look again at special needs provision and provide congregate communities for the learning disabled".

What is it when it is labelled policy and it isn't?

[thornrose]

True dawn I'm going to hide the thread now because it's like banging my head against a very thick, brick wall.

[Pagwatch]

When I use utter cunt I just mean someone who defends UKIP.
Others may place their own connotations on it of course. But that's how I mean it.

[RufusTheReindeer]

hysteria

Special, both spelt the way you spelled it or pronounced that way (or with a lisp or dull sounding voice) is a very well known insult

Ignorant People use it to denote someone with a disability and to take the piss

And we all know you know that

[dawndonnaagain]

Thorn, I am not really sure he/she is worth the effort. We will have a lecture in a minute about how swearing weakens our argument.

[OTheHugeManatee]

Not condoning the more outré utterances of some Ukip supporters/candidates but I find it strange that these utterances get conflated with policies.

Ukip, to my knowledge, only have two policies at present: bring back grammar schools, and get the UK out of the EU. And yet all kinds of things its supporters say are treated as though they are concrete manifesto promises.

When Jack Straw says Muslim women shouldn't wear the burqa as it is divisive, and then backs down after a public outcry, no-one then keeps on insisting ad infinitum that it is Labour policy to ban the burqa. But the same kind of comment from an individual within Ukip is treated as policy. It's a strange kind of double standard.

[thornrose]

Well of course it wasn't deleted by you! At least have the courage of your bloody convictions.

[dawndonnaagain]

Fuck off, hysteria, that is disingenuous to say the least.

[Hysteriabeckons]

thornrose it was deleted indeed, not by me though. Someone was offended by the word because of their own connotations associated with it.

[Pagwatch]

"otherwise different to what is usual. Spelt 'speshial' is all the above with added sarcasm."

See, i think you imagine you are looking clever but actually stuff like that makes you look like such a coward.
That's not what you meant. That is not how you meant it.
Why do you lack even the integrity to admit that?

It's really lameass and sleazy.

[dawndonnaagain]

otherwise different to what is usual. Spelt 'speshial' is all the above with added sarcasm.
I don't for one second believe that is what you meant. Taken with the other remarks you made it was a tad more than the above suggestion. However, the remark has been deleted. Please don't repeat it.

[TheBogQueen]

Love the way UKIP is dragging out any person from a minority ethnic group who has ever shown any support as proof that it is not racist.

Having a certain skin colour does not stop you being racist or a bigot. It does not prevent you from being self serving, weak or stupid.

How does it feel to be defined by the colour of your skin/your gender/your sexuality while you are trying to make a political point?

[thornrose]

Oh and your speshial comment was deleted pretty quickly wasn't it?

[thornrose]

I wasn't claiming that one incident of racism by UKIP supporters proves that they are all racist.

I was actually surprised that they were so blatant about it which is why I posted.

[Hysteriabeckons]

Special, to be better, greater or otherwise different to what is usual. Spelt 'speshial' is all the above with added sarcasm.

If I said David Cameron kicked my dog and therefore all Tories must be cruel to animals would you believe me? There's no official Tory policy that says it's ok to kick a dog, but because I say it happened it must be true.

For the record it's not illegal to be racist or have racist views. Who knows what really goes on in every individuals head? But that's just it, an individual is entitled to their own opinion. Official party policy is what a political party should be judged on.

[lbsjob87]

The only difference between UKIP and the BNP is that the BNP are blatantly racist, UKIP won't admit it.
Where I live, (in Kent) one district has seven out of eight county councillors who are UKIP. That district has one of the most corrupt councils on record (the leader went to jail for planning fraud, gay councillors get publicly bullied and expensive derelict buildings regularly burn down or literally fall over shortly after the council announce they are going to compulsory purchase it). This council is a laughing stock countywide.
There's a campaign at the moment to save a local airport. Thousands of people want it developed, a few don't. UKIP are the only party willing to save it.
They are going to WALK the next election, and as most people don't know what the European ones are about, they will probably walk that one too.
Which annoys me because they are sexist, homophobic dangerous bigots - but round here, they are seen as the only alternative.
So all I can do is continue to bombard my Facebook and Twitter accounts with reasons why voting for them is sheer insanity and hope enough people notice!

[Trazzletoes]

Are any UKIP supporters able to explain what is going to happen to the EU migrants who are already here if we exit the EU? Presumably those with Permanent Residence will be able to stay, what about, say, a worker who has only been here 2 years? Will he be required to leave? Or switch to an equivalent category under the Immigration Rules? What if he's married a Brit?

And then what about those with Retained and Derived rights of residence? What will hapPen to them? Or will a line be drawn in the sand that says, ok you're here now, that's fine, but no more in now? And then what if people's circumstances change? Or they become aware that they have a derived right of residence that they didn't know about before?

Whatever happens, it won't be cheap to administer.

Also UKIP may not have a published policy on it but their handy leaflet through my door the other day told me once we've left the EU we will also be in signing the European Convention on Human Rights.

[Trazzletoes]

I'm an immigration solicitor. If we close the borders then I lose my "British job for a British person" . (Ps. I know UKIP aren't saying they will close the borders but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the end result).

In all honesty, our immigration laws are pretty strict (which does no end of good in repelling foreign students from coming here to study etc etc). IMO money would be better spent on better policing of the borders but most importantly swift removal of those who have over-stayed or are here illegally. I appreciate it shouldn't necessarily be down to the government to take action but allowing people to stay on indefinitely creates massive backlogs leading to amnesties or allows people to settle ( in their minds), put down roots, marry, have children and then they'll get a visa anyway.

I saw a poster the other day that said there was an EU vote on banning the ivory trade or something like that. Anyway, only about 12 MEPs voted against it and I think 8 of them perhaps were UKIP?

Why on earth would anyone in this day and age support the ivory trade? I just don't get it.

[dawndonnaagain]

I'm with Rufus and Haunted.

[BetterTogether75]

In the absence of electoral reform, and in the continued presence of Kippers making utter tits of themselves day in, day out, I think this is a lot of shouting around a sideshow.

[claig]

I think that although the Tories are denying it, they will have to do a deal with UKIP. Lots of Tory voters don't believe that Cameron and some of his crew are real Tories - they believe they are progressives. There is no way the Tories can win them back, there is no turning back for them. They have already gone to UKIP. I think Cameron is toast now, even though all the Tories deny it. Cleggy is toast and so is Cameron. I think they will both be gone fairly soon after the results of the EU election are read out.

[redandchecker]

Anyone who is not scared is either not fully aware of their awful Inhumane policies or is a complete and utter crazy twunt

[HauntedNoddyCar]

Actually Rufus I hope you are right and I can go back to just being vaguely ashamed that they are Brits Abroad in the European Parliament