to love UKIP?

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Every time a UKIP person speaks, they want to say rape within marriage is ok, Lenny Henry should go back to Black Land, bit too scared to stand in a by election just now...yet

PEOPLE ARE STILL DESPERATE TO VOTE FOR THEM.

What hope is there? Humanity is as truly doomed as ever.

It's a shame babies can't be tested to see if they're going to grow up to be ignorant, kneejerk, thick as pigshit fucknuts.

^^ this

My mother was strongly advised to terminate her pregnancy with me due to likelihood of severe birth abnormalitiesShe was even made to go away and think about it for a week (this was the 80s). She decided to go ahead with the pg and quit her job to prepare for this severely brain damaged, likely blind and dead baby she was having.

You can probably tell that that outcome was a little different to what was expected - no disabilities whatsoever. But those UKIP CUNTS would have had me in a bucket.

And people on this thread will vote for that. People on this thread want to vote for racist, mysogynist, disability arseclowna who couldn't run a bath to drown disabled babies in, never mind a country.

Terrifying is right.

Blind and deaf, not dead, though UKIP would have liked that.

The thickos are the people that keep voting LibLabCon. What's that saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? How long is it going to take people to realise that all the "big 3" parties are basically the same people pretending to oppose each other? People act like it's a major change when Labour get back in, or when the Tories get back in, but things stay exactly the same, with the slightest bit of change in order to fool the gullible that the parties are "different".

Tucson it's a fair point that the 3 mainstream parties aren't filling people with confidence. But the answer to that isn't to vote for a bunch of chaotic, misogynistic, xenophobic and homophobic misfits surely? They cannot take the UK out of the EU from inside the European Parliament. They cannot be trusted to run the UK.

It's like shaving your head because you can't find a hairdresser you like.

Can all those with issues against UKIP provide a link to the actual policies you're referring to rather than just spouting your own bigoted opinions?

They have policies?

If you're referring to my post then the adjectives describe candidates and donors.

It wasn't necessarily referring to your post haunted, it was to anyone and everyone with a bigoted opinion of UKIP.

Every individual has a personal opinion regardless of which political party they support or are a member of, it's the party policies themselves that surely should be the focus.

But UKIP only have two policies. One published - get out of the EU - and one that Nigel Farrage 'let' the papers have - restore grammar schools.

Other than that they don't have any.

So why on earth would people would vote for them?

It's like that Godawful PPB that's on at the moment. All about the 'problems' but nothing whatsoever about what UKIP would do to 'solve' them.

whatever policies there might be and whoever you perceive to be the people who will vote UKIP there is 1 sure fire way to prevent them taking a majority.... go to the local poll station and vote for someone else. It really is that simple.

Hysteria- I would be grateful if you could tell me what UKIP's policies are- apart from getting out of Europe. The problem is we have very little to go on except the public utterances of the leader and the various prospective candidates and councillors and so on. And you have to admit, those do make it look like a sexist, racist,homophobic, xenophobic party. But I would be happy to be educated........

The only way it is possible for UKIP to remove the UK from the EU is if they gain control of our domestic Houses of Parliament.

Electing them to Europe just gives their candidates a substantial salary without them actually doing the job of representing UK interests.

Fill your boots! www.ukip.org/index

Or else you could just carry on with the racist, sexist, xenophobic uninformed nonsense.

Yes people have opinions but I am staggered at the ease with which they bandy about such archaic pronouncements. OK so they're maybe not as media savvy as seasoned politicians but even so. It would never cross my mind to say some of the things they've cheerfully said in recent months. Denying marital rape and banning trousers for women. Gay marriage causing floods. Bongo Bongo Land. Would you have these people in your life?

Give me actual policies I can comment on.

Oh, and politicians being media savvy. Ask David Cameron his name and 5 minutes and shit loads of spin later he 'may' admit to being called David.

Hysteria, there are no policies on the page you linked to.

But that's just the problem. They don't have policies! They are only against things. Immigration and Europe ( despite being happy to take the huge salary and expenses for being MEPs... Bit hypocritical that!)

And the scary thing is that they are resolutely anti working class but they are picking up a lot of support from many working class people by trading on fear and ignorance.

Sleepwalking towards fascism as someone said up thread. I agree.

So in the absence of stated policies, we have to go all Sherlock and piece together the evidence.

1. One stated policy - leave the EU. No indication as to how the UK's trade agreements etc are to be managed outside this - there are interesting comparisons and arguments to be made about this, but ukip aren't discussing them for some bizarre reason.

2. Posters - essentially stating we need to leave the eu because we don't like immigrants.

3. Statements from candidates and donors. Well. sexist, racist, disablist, take your pick really.

What did you think you were voting for?

Hysteria- thanks for that. Are you going to link to some policies in a bit?

If you go on the UKIP website and click on the 'get informed' link you'll see their manifestos. I can't link to them directly.

I think it's fair to say the majority of the UK population would like a vote on EU membership, if we vote Dave back in we 'might' get one at the end of 2017. Do you realise how easy it would have been to have added an EU in/out vote on our voting cards on May 22nd? The cost would have been nothing, merely an addition to the voting slips.

Are we really living in a democracy?

Mart, how about you check out the actual policies? You appear to be able to write so I'm assuming you can read.

"But UKIP only have two policies. One published - get out of the EU - and one that Nigel Farrage 'let' the papers have - restore grammar schools.

Other than that they don't have any.

So why on earth would people would vote for them?"

Because it is not about policies. The public doesn't know many of their policies and frankly doesn't care because as you say

"All about the 'problems' but nothing whatsoever about what UKIP would do to 'solve' them."

But there is only one thing that the public wants "solving" and that is it wants to teach the establishment parties a lesson because the main problem that the public wants solved is that the establishment parties have all, bar none, let them down and not listened to them, and the more that the establishment and its mouthpieces accuse UKIP, and by extension, the public who are voting for them in huge numbers now, of racism and so on, the more that confirms to the public that the establishment is not with the people and that it is against the people and holds them in contempt, just as it holds UKIP in contempt.

The public want problems solved, but they have got to the point where they no longer believe that the establishment parties can solve the problems and now even think that the establishment parties have become the problem.

The public does not know how the peoblems will be solved, but ot no longer believes the establishment will or even really wants to solve what the public consider to be the problems.

Boulevard, if you think we can't exist outside of Europe then you're sadly mistaken. Britain imports far more from the EU than it exports...... So where do you think that leaves us?

With regard to immigrants, we cannot afford an open door policy. If every Italian decided to emigrate tomorrow we couldn't stop them. Thankfully (and hopefully) they won't, but there is absolutely NOTHING we could do to stop them coming here.

And personal opinions don't count, it's PARTY POLICY that does.

The thing is, if Labour promised an in/out EU referendum, they would win the next GE in an absolute landslide. I cannot believe they are not aware of this. So why don't they do it? Who are they representing? The people? Or the shadowy cabal that really pulls the string and who are determined that Britain remain in the EU?