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AIBU?

To want autonomy over my body.

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thebodydoestricks · 23/04/2014 16:12

Aibu here. I am 50 but apparently still fertile.

I have 4 children already and do not want any more.

According to some posters if I fell pregnant but hadn't used at least 2 methods of contraception I should be denied the abortion I would most definatly want.

I would have to go before a panel of judges in a court to plead my case. They would judge whether I should have an abortion or not.

Of course if there was a back log of cases then I would have to wait and if it reached 24 weeks it would be too late anyway.

I would be forced to give birth.

Aibu to be absolutely stunned at this posters view in Britain 2014?

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BeyondTired · 23/04/2014 19:56

Prolapse? Any sort of damage from pregnancy or labour?

thebodydoestricks · 23/04/2014 19:58

To add I never was or never have been controlled by my hormones

I don't know women who are. It's a myth. We are fully capable of deciding our lives pregnant or not.

I have met women who are mentally ill but they, and their babies, are protected under the mental health act.

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javotte · 23/04/2014 19:59

Beyond no, I don't think prolapse could be a valid reason to abort.
(BTW, can you determine that a woman will suffer from prolapse later in her pregnancy?)

basgetti · 23/04/2014 19:59

Being made to wait for the foetus to die naturally killed Savita Halappanavar.

BeyondTired · 23/04/2014 20:00

When i had antinatal depression, it was the fact that i wanted my baby that kept me alive. If i was being forced to carry a child i didnt want, that wouldnt have a nice happy ending of me sending baby off to a happy home for adoption, we'd both be dead.

AnyaKnowIt · 23/04/2014 20:00

But its not baby killer is it? Its letting a woman decide what's right for her.

Pro life are forcing women to give birth when they don't want too

LoveSardines · 23/04/2014 20:01

Something that is often overlooked on these threads is that forcing women to continue pregnancies and give birth when they don't want to is not just a easy nothing thing.

There are many risks associated with carrying a pregnancy to term, some of which can have a permanent effect on the health of the mother.
There are many risks associated with giving birth, some of which can have a permanent effect on the health of the mother.

These risks can include such things as loss of continence, loss of sexual function, permanent disability, death.
They can result in complications which preclude the possibility of further pregnancies / further safe pregnancies.

That is even before looking at mental health issues of varying severity which are highly prevalent both ante-natally and post-natally.

The fact that anti-abortion people never ever mention any of this is very telling, I think. They only ever mention "saving a baby's life", they never mention the risks they would force the mothers to take, the reason for this is (in my opinion) because they fundamentally do not care.

Thought it worth mentioning

MyrtleDove · 23/04/2014 20:01

Javotte 'pro-life' people aren't interested in the life of the mother, so to call them 'pro-life' is inaccurate.

javotte · 23/04/2014 20:01

Basgetti no, actually, it didn't (the lack of antibiotics did), but I think the case has already been discussed in the previous thread.

BeyondTired · 23/04/2014 20:01

I have ehlers danlos syndrome, it makes my connective tissue stretchy and is significantly more likely than the general population that i would prolapse. And i did.

thebodydoestricks · 23/04/2014 20:02

javotte up to you love. I have never or would never kill a baby.

I have assisted during an abortion when I was a student nurse. I also worked in a special care baby unit.

I see no contradiction.

My concern is always to support the pregnant woman first and foremost.

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javotte · 23/04/2014 20:04

Myrtle of course they are interested in the life of the mother. She is not an empty vessel carrying a child.

LoveSardines abortions also cause huge mental health damage (and even actual deaths), but it is never mentioned either.
What pro-abortion people also fail to mention is the number of mothers who abort their babies under pressure from their own parents / an abusive partner.

LoveSardines · 23/04/2014 20:05

Oh and the actions of anti-abortionists in the UK and overseas give lie to their supposed stance that the baby and the mother should have the same rights. The fact is that they believe that any foetus at all and any stage is more important and should have more rights than the female vessel it is contained in.

sassysally · 23/04/2014 20:05

It is not because they don't care about the mother's health, they just think that saving another human life trumps it.Why is that so hard to understand?

LoveSardines · 23/04/2014 20:06

It's mentioned all the time Javotte.

By law it has to be mentioned when people go for an abortion.

At no point in my life did anyone sit me down and tell me all the possible risks of being pregnant, not even when I was pregnant.

twofingerstoGideon · 23/04/2014 20:06

About backstreets abortions : I don't like the "it happens anyway so let's legalise it" argument. What about murder then? There have always been murders, shall we provide people with murdering facilities so that they do it in a cleaner way?

Quite the most ridiculous comparison ever.

TheBabyFacedAssassin · 23/04/2014 20:07

javotte are you saying you think that is reasonable for a woman to suffer through her pregnancy knowing that her baby will die at delivery?

LoveSardines · 23/04/2014 20:08

Hmm yes sassy

I suppose maybe they think women and girls should have rights as people up until they get pregnant, at which point all those rights switch to what is inside her and all of hers magically vanish.

LoveSardines · 23/04/2014 20:09

Yes of course she is babyfaced.

Because once in 1962 a baby was supposed to die and didn't.

Therefore it is worth putting 1000s and 1000s of women through that just in case.

gordyslovesheep · 23/04/2014 20:09

so no cancer treatment for mum then ...if baby is healthy

AnyaKnowIt · 23/04/2014 20:09

What is pro abortion? No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion

Caff2 · 23/04/2014 20:09

OK. My twopennorth, for what it's worth. I have had two abortions. They were extremely easy to obtain on the NHS and I was cared for by fantastic Women's centre staff. But. It, in my experience is extremely easy to obtain an abortion on the NHS with very few questions asked.

So I think we basically do have abortion on demand.

thebodydoestricks · 23/04/2014 20:10

javotte so women again unable to make decisions for themselves?

Of course there are women who regret their abortions. Any decision can involve regret.

Doesn't mean making that decision illegal for everyone on that premise would be ludicrous.

Would you rather hundreds of women die in back street abortions as they do elsewhere and used to do here?

Please don't pretend to be interested in the life if the mother. If you are anti sbortion clearly you see her as an incubator.

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MyrtleDove · 23/04/2014 20:10

Sassy expecting women to sacrifice their health for a foetus is not caring about women's lives.

Javotte I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. No woman should be pressured into having an abortion, it should be 100% her choice entirely. That's why it's called being pro-choice. Women should be able to decide what happens to their bodies.

TheBabyFacedAssassin · 23/04/2014 20:11

Count yourself lucky Caff. Some of us don't have that option.

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