To want autonomy over my body.

[thebodydoestricks]

Aibu here. I am 50 but apparently still fertile.

I have 4 children already and do not want any more.

According to some posters if I fell pregnant but hadn't used at least 2 methods of contraception I should be denied the abortion I would most definatly want.

I would have to go before a panel of judges in a court to plead my case. They would judge whether I should have an abortion or not.

Of course if there was a back log of cases then I would have to wait and if it reached 24 weeks it would be too late anyway.

I would be forced to give birth.

Aibu to be absolutely stunned at this posters view in Britain 2014?

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

What do you think the upshot of your "deserving" policy would be, Gimme? Bearing in mind that many women can't take hormonal contraception and many women not in a LTR would prefer to use condoms on the occasions they have sex? Teenagers, for example, can get condoms without approaching any health care professionals.

And what's the consequence for the man who had sex without first having had a vasectomy?

[Dawndonnaagain]

If you were sterilised and using condoms
Oh do grow up.

There are teenagers who are brought up in houses where contraception is not discussed, in this day and age.
There are teenagers who are brought up in houses where sex isn't discussed in this day and age.
There are teenagers whose parents do not allow them to access sex ed at school in this day and age.
They're still as entitled to an abortion if they want one.
Last year, the only pregnancy in dds school was the girl not allowed to go to sex ed in case it encouraged her.
Apart from which, it's not up to you judge and it's very interesting that you used: I agree you should be allowed an abortion .
Allowed? What a shame you cannot support other women. Or are you male?

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

What do people who want to inflict pregnancy and birth as a punishment on a loose careless woman think they are going to achieve? This really baffles me.

[TheBabyFacedAssassin]

Doctrine Exactly. What does it achieve? Why is it better than the alternative?

I apologise for constantly bringing this back round to me, but why am I being forced to carry a pregnancy to term knowing that there will be no positive outcome? I cannot for the life of me get my head round it, and I can tell you I have tried. What does it achieve?

[twofingerstoGideon]

why am I being forced to carry a pregnancy to term knowing that there will be no positive outcome?

I think we're all baffled by that, Baby. I feel completely unqualified to answer you, because I don't believe you should be in this position at all. I think we need one of the anti-abortionists (sassy/bumbley) to answer that, as they're the ones who so keenly support restrictions.

I think doctrine and sakura have made some good points, incidentally (re consequences or lack of for men...)

[AnyaKnowIt]

It's so the smug fuckers can pat themselves on the back because another baby has been saved. Regardless of the consequences.

[uselessidiot]

How does that apply when the foetus the smug fuckers try and prevent being removed is already dead? What baby is being saved?

[AnyaKnowIt]

Think it was said on this thread that the time it was in the womb was worth it (or something like that)

[TheBabyFacedAssassin]

I think you're right Anya! In fact, I believe, as mentioned by many posters previously, they (whoever 'they' are) don't even care whether the baby lives/dies/goes into care/is abandoned on a doorstep just as long as they can exert their authority by making women second class citizens.

twofingers I would genuinely welcome comments from staunch anti-abortioners who could explain to me their reasoning. It's a shame that when faced with a real life situation they don't seem to want to share their opinion. They seem happy enough to comment on and question every hypothetical situation under the sun no matter how unrealistic though...

[TheBabyFacedAssassin]

useless in my situation, my baby is totally safe until she is delivered. It is the very moment that the cord is cut that she will die from respiratory failure. Somehow anti-abortioners think this is absolutely right and just. I just want to try and understand why.

[thebodydoestricks]

Baby you won't get an answer because such people only want to criticise and object.

They offer no practical solutions to real life problems but just like to pretend they actually care about the unborn baby.

They don't really at all.

This is about having power and control over women's bodies and lives. They can't deny us contraception, although lots would if they could, and we are now educated and getting there with equal pay and rights, so the next best way to keep womem powerless is to deny them autonomy and choice over their bodies/lives.

It's closely allied with religious zealots like the Catholic Church and nearly all other religions that see womem as either the mother figure (Virgin Mary) or the slut (Mary Magdalene)

Sex is dirty and so sluts who get pregnant should be punished.

Especially single mothers/poor womem.

They will tell you baby that they care but they really don't. Ireland should hang it's head in Shame over your treatment.

[uselessidiot]

In my situation my baby was already dead. I was in danger of developing an infection and becoming infertile or dying. The extremists say it would be wrong to remove what was left of her because of the sanctity of life. I want to understand that too because I don't understand whose life was being saved, I also don't understand how leaving someone to die a painful death because they happen to have a dead body inside them is respecting the sanctity of life. I asked because I don't get it and hoped someone would explain.

I'm sorry for your situation baby.

[pommedeterre]

All of the questions are because forced birth era are about punishing women and nothing to do with actual live children or wondering how the men get off so lightly.

Any other explanation is piffle.

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

Baby and idiot

[thebodydoestricks]

useless bloody disgraceful treatment of you and there is obviously no possible sensible reason for this.

[Louise1956]

I thought you could get an abortion any time in the UK. You can go somewhere like the Marie Stopes or some other private clinic, they'll give you one quick enough. As for getting an abortion on the NHS - well, if there is a waiting list that is hardly surprising, there are waiting lists for many things, some of them more pressing, like treatment for cancer for instance. You may feel you have the right to dispose of an unwanted child, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should expect the NHS to be at your beck and call, they don't have unlimited funds or manpower and may have more pressing things to deal with.

[thebodydoestricks]

pomme yes agree x post.

To add I can't understand men thinking this way but in women it's unforgivable.

[AnyaKnowIt]

Why the fuck does cancer had to keep being brought up?

[Dawndonnaagain]

useless

[5madthings]

I am assuming because people don't ask to get cancer.. Whereas a woman is asking to get preg if she has sex.. She deserves it.. It's back to deserving and undeserving and punishing women.

There was another thread today with a woman not wanting male drs in childbirth and she was basically told to shut the fuck up and be grateful to have Drs to help deliver her baby safely. In no other area of life are people expected to put up and shut up as much as women are in preg and childbirth.

[Dawndonnaagain]

You may feel you have the right to dispose of an unwanted child, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should expect the NHS to be at your beck and call, they don't have unlimited funds or manpower and may have more pressing things to deal with.
I think it may be a wee bit more complicated than that, dear.

[AnyaKnowIt]

I am assuming because people don't ask to get cancer.. Whereas a woman is asking to get preg if she has sex.. She deserves it.. It's back to deserving and undeserving and punishing women

Yes those silly bitches not only do they want to kill babies they are also murdering cancer patients. Ffs how stupid!

[TheBabyFacedAssassin]

Oh useless . It is so frustrating not being given answers, huh?
We just want to understand why we are being/have been tortured.

Thanks thebody and doctrine. Before this thread closes I want to say a massive thank you to everyone that has shown me support. I have learnt so much from everyone on these threads and I very much plan on using what I have learnt in my fight to campaign for a review of the law here in Northern Ireland.

[uselessidiot]

Can I just clarify? A woman having intercourse even if it's rape is asking to fall pregnant but someone participating in high risk behaviours such as smoking, excessive drinking, over eating to the point of obesity aren't asking for cancer?

Before I'm flamed I just want to point out I don't think anyone asks for cancer, just pointing out the double standards.

[AnyaKnowIt]

Wishing you the best baby