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Original poster

To want autonomy over my body.

999 replies

thebodydoestricks · 23/04/2014 16:12

Aibu here. I am 50 but apparently still fertile.

I have 4 children already and do not want any more.

According to some posters if I fell pregnant but hadn't used at least 2 methods of contraception I should be denied the abortion I would most definatly want.

I would have to go before a panel of judges in a court to plead my case. They would judge whether I should have an abortion or not.

Of course if there was a back log of cases then I would have to wait and if it reached 24 weeks it would be too late anyway.

I would be forced to give birth.

Aibu to be absolutely stunned at this posters view in Britain 2014?

OP posts:
LtEveDallas · 23/04/2014 20:11

Javotte, you ned to read the report posted in the other thread. It wasn't the lack of antibiotics that killed Savita.

If Savita had been given the abortion of the dying foetus that she asked for 48 hours earlier she would have lived.

But by waiting for 48 hours for the foetus to die 'naturally' Savita AND the foetus died.

2 days of 'life' for a non-sentinent being that was dying anyway was considered more important than the life of a living, breathing, conscious human being.

That is why women need bodily autonomy.

javotte · 23/04/2014 20:12

TheBaby I know you are in a very difficult situation but yes, I believe so.
Not because, as LoveSardines supposes, a miracle might happen, but because the baby is alive in the womb. It is hearing, seeing light, feeling pressure, dreaming. It is a short life, but a life anyway, and I'd rather my baby lived 9 months than 12 weeks.
I am sorry if my words hurt you TheBaby but it is truly what I believe and it is the choice I would make.

BeyondTired · 23/04/2014 20:13

Its not just no cancer treatment for mum though, it'd be no cancer treatment for women just in case they then became pregnant.

javotte · 23/04/2014 20:14

Off to put the DCs to bed.
I appreciate being able to have this debate on MN.

AnyaKnowIt · 23/04/2014 20:14

Oh god yeah, the child bearing age

LoveSardines · 23/04/2014 20:14

"I'd rather my baby lived 9 months than 12 weeks."

And you would force that on everyone else as well, and happily expose them to all of the risks I posted upthread, including possibly precluding them from having any further pregnancies.

Caff2 · 23/04/2014 20:15

Well, interestingly, the abortion I had at 19 has left me with huge guilt and ongoing problems psychologically, but I never really think about the one I had at 25.

AnyaKnowIt · 23/04/2014 20:15

Javotte, if you truly believe that, the you should be ashamed of yourself

Binkyresurrected · 23/04/2014 20:15

From the extreme pro lifer posting on here I'm getting that No matter what the mental or physical suffering to the mother, the family, the father or the unborn child, the baby must be born and have a chance to live, even if that 'living' is filled with pain and suffering and is over within minutes.

passmethewineplease · 23/04/2014 20:15

YANBU I can't believe people actually think there should be a panel of judges to decide what happens to another person's body.

I am so pleased that as it stands we do have access to safe legal abortion I hate to think of the alternative.

Original poster
thebodydoestricks · 23/04/2014 20:16

sassy do you have children?

I have 4. Do you think that if I got pregnant I should be forced to carry a baby at cost of my life. That a foetus trumps my life.

So my dh and 4 children would be left to cope?

OP posts:
passmethewineplease · 23/04/2014 20:18

Jab - how could you willingly stand there and say it's reasonable to force women to carry to term?

It is evil, and just shows how insignificant the women are to you and other anti abortionists.

SoonToBeSix · 23/04/2014 20:20

Melon the fetus is still alive just because in early pregnancy it cannot survive without the women doesn't make it dead .
And no I wouldn't deny a women cancer treatment but neither would I offer them an abortion .

TheBabyFacedAssassin · 23/04/2014 20:20

javotte your words do not hurt me. You are entitled to your opinion.
Though please explain to me why you think this is reasonable?

HuglessDouglas · 23/04/2014 20:20

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AnyaKnowIt · 23/04/2014 20:21

Great so not only will more women dying or being greatly affected by childbirth, but cancer death rates go up too.

Women haters!!!

SoonToBeSix · 23/04/2014 20:21

Melon I said she rather than the mother purely as it's less letters to type . You are reading far too much into things.

Caff2 · 23/04/2014 20:26

As I said, I have had two abortions and I think actually I could benefit from some counselling - I do feel guilt, particularly for the first abortion. I saw my ex boyfriend's facebook profile and the pictures of his children, and it made me want to cry. And I do have children and am happy in my relationship.

MyrtleDove · 23/04/2014 20:27

Soon yes the foetus is biologically alive, but it does not have personhood. Being a person is about more than just being alive, otherwise animals would be people too.

SoonToBeSix · 23/04/2014 20:28

The body you shouldn't assume what other people think. I care very much about the life if the mother . I don't think the fetus is more important I believe they are a hundred percent equal.

gordyslovesheep · 23/04/2014 20:32

well I don't thing anyone has advocated trawling cancer wards 'offering' abortions Hmm

but people HAVE argued that abortion where the foetus is healthy and mum not in immediate risk is wrong

Cancer is one such example - delaying treatment may have a negative effect - but no guarantee it will kill her - selfish thing Hmm

Dawndonnaagain · 23/04/2014 20:32

I don't think the fetus is more important I believe they are a hundred percent equal.
Actually the foetus is a parasite.

SoonToBeSix · 23/04/2014 20:32

Yes Mrytle you are right being a person is more than being alive I agree.

AnyaKnowIt · 23/04/2014 20:32

Caff2. Would you been able to see your go for counselling?

AnyaKnowIt · 23/04/2014 20:34

SoonToBeSix Wed 23-Apr-14 20:28:25
The body you shouldn't assume what other people think. I care very much about the life if the mother . I don't think the fetus is more important I believe they are a hundred percent equal.

You are not treating them as equal if you are putting the fetus first