To ask those of you who are pro life?

[Anonynony]

How do you feel about friends who have had abortions? Can you maintain friendships with people who have had an abortion and no regrets?

One of my friends has stunned me, talking about another friend of ours who had considered an abortion and my friend said I'm so glad she didn't because I wouldn't have been able to stay friends with her
I'm really surprised, I'm extremely pro choice and vocal about it but this doesn't bother my friend.
But what my friend doesn't know is that I also had an abortion and although I have no regrets I feel a bit strange around my friend now?

Back now and unfortunately bumbly still hasn't answered the question but called us bullies.

It's a shame because you obviously have a right to your opinion but actually obviously even you are too ashamed to bare face tell baby that effectively yes it's sad but hey ho there you go

Poor Savita Ireland and countries similar have a hell of a lot of apologising to do to women and children but if course they won't.

They are like you bumbly incapable of empathy, unwilling to address real cases of cruelty, uncaring and self righteous.

It's bad enough for women having to stand up to mysogynistic stupid men but for women to act this way is unspeakable.

Actually my dh and grown up dss would be horrified at your views.

Hope you are ok Baby

It's so sinister too.

Like the handmaids tale women reduced to the status of breeders and their babies taken off them by rich couples.

The women then have to work for the couple.

Good grief where has that been done before?

Give me your baby you slut and then do my washing!

Dawndonnaagain - Yes it is, i have since read up on it. Hit me like a ton of bricks and i never had any form of depression pre or postnatal with any of the other pregnancies. I don't think mine was as severe as other's i have read about but it was bad enough. It has definately changed my stance on termination and i definately don't feel guilty for having one, i also don't care if other's disagree with me having one. I am pleased i was able to have the choice. Would i have got depression again, maybe not or maybe i would have got it and been 10x worse and who knows what would have happened this time round.

The rape victim has CHOICE, they and only they can choose if they would want to continue with the pregnancy, which is how it should be. You want that CHOICE to be removed bumbley. You want to force women to carry a foetus to birth no matter what it would do to them mentally or physically. You have no concern for the woman.

And Yy to that too - it's not pro-choicers that are saying a foetus is less valuable if it's the consequence of rape. Pro-choicers want to give the woman the choice, whether to go ahead with her pregnancy or not.

Savita and her husband begged for a termination - she could be alive today, possibly have had another child, if she had been granted it. Pro-life

thebody I'm fine, really. I'm disappointed that Bumbley didn't take the opportunity to enlighten us, all of us, on what her reasoning is based on but hey ho.

This might be provocative but, shit, I really don't care. This afternoon I have to work on the care plan for after my daughter is delivered. Like how much intervention do we want to artificially start her breathing, how many times should they attempt resuscitation etc. because you know, continuing the pregnancy isn't punishment enough. This is the reality women who are denied abortion (for medical reasons) face. I believe forcing us to even think about this is beyond cruel. But, I guess we just have to deal with it.

To the others that have shared their stories on this thread, please know that you truly are in my heart.

It's pro control of a life.

A woman's life,

Sinister.

22honey - could not agree more. I have two kids and felt my first kick at 18 weeks so it horrifies me that someone could choose to have a late term abortion. What on earth would make you not react before this point?!

BUT a friend of mine with two grown up children, living with a failed marriage and in financial chaos thought she was going through the menopause. She found out she was pregnant at 16 weeks and had to have a 'late' termination. She was pretty cut up about it but really felt she was in no position to bring another child into the world. I watched what that person had to go through and although I completely disagree with it in principle, I had to agree with her decision. Heartbreaking.

This is a dangerous thread because it is a deeply sensitive subject. I am a firm believer in not judging someone until you had walked in their shoes!

And poor Savita and her family. How much clearer a demonstration is required that the laws are totally fucked.

Baby it is indeed beyond cruel it's inhuman.

My thoughts, all of our thoughts are with you and stories like yours need to be told as they are real unlike the hypothetical crap seen on here.

It's a shame Bumbly refuses to engage, her views,however distasteful, are her own and she should be at least able to properly articulate them. She should at least be able to answer simple questions.

Thinking of you, Baby

or do you think people would use double contraception and deal with the pregnancy and resulting child more often?

it was my double contraception efforts that led to my unwanted pregnancy.

ellio indeed that's absolutely spot on.

Your body your life your choice. Her body her life her choice.

The pregnant woman should always have the absolute and complete choice.

Baby I cannot for one second imagine how you feel today. I just wanted you to know that my thoughts are with you. I am so sorry for the situation you're in, and that other women who live where you do are faced with. Take care

babyfaced my heart breaks for what you are being put through at the minute. It is beyond cruel. I am so sorry.

LtEve, at 17 weeks the abortion would have required an invasive surgical procedure which carries risks too. What they failed to do was monitor her closely and act quickly when she started to deteriorate. That was not acceptable.

You can go be in pain in hospital for many reasons. They won't always offer you a surgical procedure to solve that and certainly not simply because you're requesting it. They judge whether or not they think it is necessary.

And because their priority was the life of the fetus, they judged wrong.

Many people having abortions were not using double contraception.

Is that one more of your reasons that the woman should be forced to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want?

I would fight tooth and nail to prevent what happened to me happening to another poor unwanted child. Snap, on both counts. MY father left when I was a pre schooler & I really wish he had taken me too.

different, you know that ikea is talking about the posters here who want women to be able to abort to term for any reason not just the current restricted reasons (Which she has already acknowledged.) Yes I do. And if you have read ANY of my posts, you would know that I back them. Every Step.

NOBODY tells me what to do with my uterus. I don't get to tell anybody what to do with theirs.

Sabrina. The fact that it was a mismanaged miscarriage does not take away from the tragedy of her death. She wouldn't have died if there had not been failings in her duty of care. Those same failings could have resulted in her death even if she had been given an abortion. They missed the early signs of septicaemia.

It's a good thing that the title of this thread makes it clear that there will be opinions that some women may find upsetting so that they can make informed decisions about whether they want to read and contribute or hide or thread.

Bumbley, the doctors did nothing because the fetus had a heartbeat.

bumbly sorry I am a nurse and that's bollicks.

The ideology there have too much account to a faetal heart beat and not a woman's life.

That's why she died.

Baby is still waiting for your answer

blah blah blah bumbley. You can't even admit that Savita would have been saved by a termination, can you? Or that Baby's heartache is being made a million times worse because she's denied one?

It's just callous disregard for women.

The heartbeat of the foetus was of more interest than her increasing signs of a massive infection.

LtEve, at 17 weeks the abortion would have required an invasive surgical procedure which carries risks too. What they failed to do was monitor her closely and act quickly when she started to deteriorate. That was not acceptable.
Take a look at what you have written here. It's still denial.
Invasive surgery has it's risks, fewer risks than the outcome, in this case.
They would not have been having to monitor her had she had the procedure she requested and needed. And yet your implication is, despite a woman dying, that they were right. They were right to take that woman's life. That is what you have written here, Bumbley.

Why would you deny a child born out of rape, a life? Why would you deny a rape victim the right to decide not to birth the baby of the man who raped her?

I do love how Bumbley always says she is being bullied, yet she advocates women being bullied into communicating pregnancies they don't want to continue.

There is a name for that, isn't there?