To ask those of you who are pro life?

[Anonynony]

How do you feel about friends who have had abortions? Can you maintain friendships with people who have had an abortion and no regrets?

One of my friends has stunned me, talking about another friend of ours who had considered an abortion and my friend said I'm so glad she didn't because I wouldn't have been able to stay friends with her
I'm really surprised, I'm extremely pro choice and vocal about it but this doesn't bother my friend.
But what my friend doesn't know is that I also had an abortion and although I have no regrets I feel a bit strange around my friend now?

babyfaced I wanted you to know that my opinions are in no way relevant to your situation which I think is a really wrong and horrible situation to be in. I hope that my posts haven't in anyway upset you.

I am sorry for your loss and I hope you have as much support and strength as you need these coming weeks/months.

I got pregnant using condom and cap (couldn't take pill), despite the fact that I was 'old' (almost 40) and had almost non-existent periods (around 2 a year).

Well you were extremely unlucky to fall pregnant twice with these two methods.Cap 96 % effective, condom 98% effective (according to NHS website)
By my calculations the chances of becoming PG twice would be 1 in 1.5 million.So yes it will happen to some people, but not enough to account for more than a handful of pregnancies per year in the uK

Bumbley at what gestation would you allow induction to happen?

For those of you that are unaware of my background, my baby has a condition which has resulted in zero development of the lungs. The baby is 100% reliant on me (30 weeks pregnant) and once the baby is delivered she will die of respiratory failure. This has been known since 20 weeks.

Let me try and make this as clear as possible...by delivering my daughter (whether at 20 weeks or 40 weeks) I will be ending her life the second it starts. I am not posting this to garner sympathy. Early induction would result in the death of, or 'kill' my daughter. That's ok though Bumbley?

Babyfaced I think you should walk away from this debate.I really do, it can't be doing you any good

Twice? Sassysally? Who said anything about twice? Are you making things up as you go along?

what's up Sass - actually engaging with an actual woman going through this making you uncomfortable...

Baby x you have every right to post here xxxxx

sassy I think you need to see the reality of what it is like to live in a society where abortion is illegal.

Baby I am really, really sorry for your situation. I understand why you're drawn to these threads, because if anyone can offer an account of the reality of forcing women to continue their pregnancies against their will, you can. I hope you're surrounded by supportive family and friends and wish you strength and love. Please take care of yourself.

I haven't RTFT i'm afraid. Well the first part. But as i'm 'pro-life' or whatever you want to call it i thought i'd put my views across. I don't agree with abortion (hate that word too and prefer termination) and am not religious but grew up (well was educated anyway) Catholic.

I could never have a termination myself and I do internally judge someone who has had one for certain circumstances. In some circumstances, I can make exceptions I think. Obviously, rape is one. Certain medical conditions. I do find it uncomfortable when people terminate downs babies. I grew up very close to a boy with downs and he was the sweetest kid ever. He died at 27 of a heart condition but why deny him a life for your own selfish reasons?

That awful woman going on big brother, well nuff said lol.

Twice? Sassysally? Who said anything about twice? Are you making things up as you go along?
NOt about you twofingers , another poster,Donna had had 2 double contraceptive failures.

Adoptive parents? Ah, so the overstretched care system will pick up the tab. People who suggest we force women to have babies they don't want clearly know sweet FA about the care system and outcomes for fostered and adopted children.

Sassy
We are talking about 1)a foetus. 2) a woman's rights.
A foetus is not a child.

interesting research

a newborn baby would find an adoptive home very easily Of that, you are wrong. Do you know how hard it is to adopt? My exSIL had had enough children (2) so she decided that my db get the snip. He didn't want to, but did it for an easy life (which is partly why she is exSIL)

They divorced and he got remarried. He & his wife wanted children. The reversal didn't work. The adoption was turned down on one single factor...

He obviously didn't want any more children as he had previously had a vasectomy.

That is how easy it is to adopt [eyeroll]

22 - But yes I would consider a late term abortion where the fetus could live 'killing a baby' the mere fact that you would post that to a poster who is obviously distressed is so fucking unbelievable!! What kind of careless, thoughtless human being are you!?

and the law in the UK seems to agree as its illegal after 24 weeks except for medical reasons. IT ISN'T ILLEGAL!!! Otherwise they wouldn't do it for ANY REASON post 24 weeks! You just need a very good reason. [facepalm]

Vampyr, no one was comparing an early abortion to murdering a child Really? I suggest you read the thread better.

But yes I would consider a late term abortion where the fetus could live 'killing a baby' And as killing = murder, then yes, people HAVE compared it.

and how many women would choose to have an abortion that late without a very good reason? Less than 1%, but according to some on this thread, 100%

I would never comment on anyone I know's abortion to their face as it might upset them and it is their decision at the end of the day But you don't mind upsetting people on this thread, while you can hide behind your screen. I suggest that you wouldn't say it to anyone in RL because you are scared of their reaction. And that they would see you for the person you really are...

Thanks Gordy.

There were straw men being thrown around all over the place earlier, seemed to be ok to talk about them!

nor is a foetus a baby

Why would you deny a child born out of rape, a life? Why is his/her life worth less than that of a child born from consensual sex?
Don't tell me you believe the sins of the father should be visited on the child?

TheBaby, you know I'm not going to support abortion. I have told you how I feel about it and I have expressed sympathy for your situation. At the end of my post on the other thread I did say this:

"(just to be clear - I would still not agree with terminating a foetus prior to carrying out induction and I would not agree with induction prior to the age of viability where the aim is clearly to terminate the foetus' life."

I don't think that it is ok that your daughter is going to die. :( As you said yourself, birth is going to kill your daughter, not the fact that she is being induced early.

I think it is morally/legally right for any adult person, pregnant or not, to be in full autonomous control of their body at all times unless covered by the provisions of the mental health act.

Does that clarify the position sassy I think it's quite straightforward.

I don't see the foetus has any rights over the mothers wishes In any case until it is out if the uterus, yes baby before you post the head born.

Why would you deny a child born out of rape, a life? Why is his/her life worth less than that of a child born from consensual sex?
Don't tell me you believe the sins of the father should be visited on the child?
Are you fucking serious? Sorry, but you have just lost the whole argument. Now, off you go.

But Bumbly (yes I have got that you are ignoring me). You are still denying Baby's trauma. You haven't addressed it at all.

Sassy, what about a 12 year old that has been repeatedly raped by her father, should she be forced to continue with a pregnancy that could cause longstanding harm to her physically and mentally?

sassy what's the problem?

Real life agony too much for you?

Baby can do what she likes here on the internet, unlike in her private life.

How fucking awful is that.

Don't tell me you believe the sins of the father should be visited on the child?
On the set of cells that have just about formed, because let's face it, there are very, very few abortions after rape that are done much later than ten to twelve weeks.

Bumbley, sorry, you appear to have forgotten to include the specific gestation that you seem acceptable for induction?

And, I was very careful not to use the words give birth...I said delivery. Induction results in delivery which results in the death of my daughter. Is your argument based on semantics now?