josie cunningham.

[CunningAtBothEnds]

I have read an article on the above where she states despite being 18 weeks pregnant and pleased up until now she will be having an abortion to "further her career" namely to qppear on big brother.

whether this is morally ok is one thing but AIBU to ask if an abortion for the reasons she gives is legal? i suppose its similar to someone saying its not the right time, just more brazen?

(I consider myself pro choice btw I just find her apparent callousness a bit tough to take)

But she probably ought to if that's what she wants and has decided.

She's a total mess. She doesn't deserve a child with such screwed up morals. Most people don't tweet pictures of a baby they plan to terminate and then revel in the attention of it. Fake boobs, looking a mess, prostitute, yep a total waste of space.

Well what would a valid reason be?

Being sick all the time?

Career advancement?

Relationship breakdown?

Health of the baby?

Finances?

If it is wrong, then it is wrong.

If it isn't, it isn't. It isn't "okay in some circumstances". No. Either it is acceptable or it is not.

I have some sympathy with the views of those that feel abortion this late is akin to murder but if that is the case, all late abortions are wrong, not some.

I'm firmly in the pro choice camp - this doesn't sit well with me at all at a gut level.

However, it is still her choice to make and I can only hope that she has access to decent counselling as I'm not convinced people go from wanting their pregnancy (showing it off on social media etc.) to wanting to terminate without there being some massive other factors at play.

She's clearly not in a stable place if the reports are to be believed.

If she was a woman out if the media spotlight with two children to support already, who was offered a once in a lifetime career opportunity that would provide security for her existing family I think my own gut feeling would be a lot more inclined towards sympathy for the bad timing.

i would like to.reiterate that as you will see in my OP I am not judging her nor would I judge anyone for this type of choice. I was merely pondering the legal implication of the timeframe and the reasons given so publicly

pro choice too and have had friends that have had to make the decision to abort and have stood by that none have ever been for the reason so they can be on a tv show!

"Appearing (or attempting to appear) on Big Brother is a career, Sillybilly?"

Umm sneer all you like- i'm currently job hunting. I will (hopefully) get a job that will pay minimum wage and involve stacking shelves. If i were to become pregnant my loss of income and damage to my progress up the ladder would be a huge consideration.

Or is it only women in charge of the bank of england who get to have abortions?

Look, imagine someone is taking the pill because they don't want a baby.

Their reasons for not wanting a baby don't matter. They are taking the pill because they don't want one.

Is taking the pill wrong? I doubt many people feel it is.

So either abortion is acceptable or it is not. When you say it is only acceptable in certain circumstances, you're saying you believe it's wrong, immoral. I respect that but I dislike other people deciding what should be important to others.

but being pro choice it is irrelevant what the reasons are

it is that the choice is there

"none have ever been for the reason so they can be on a tv show!"

Any ever been for the impact on their earnings?

So her choice is not valid because it involves a tv show,or because she's a sex worker or because she's previously had cosmetic surgery?

Because she's unlikelable, NeedsA.

I'm probably being snobbish again

The article is horrible, though. Typical, benefit-bashing, Daily Mail fare. I'm not denying a person's right to have an abortion, absolutely not. I suppose I find this person and her reasons particularly repugnant. Though it's probably the best thing in her situation.

She sounds quite deluded about achieving fame and success on the back of a show like Big Brother.

I was thinking the same as SillyBilly and sockamnesty when reading the other thread on this. You're either pro choice or you're not. Why is this abortion worse than others where people aren't in a good place to have a baby?

"Because she's unlikelable, NeedsA."

Yup. Thank goodness that's not an option choice for the doctors to refuse.

She's my age. She is pregnant with her third child and is a prostitute. The more I read about her the more fucked up it all becomes. Those poor kids.

"Yup. Thank goodness that's not an option choice for the doctors to refuse"

Well, quite.

I don't understand the logic that looks at her life, deems it troubled/repugnant/beset with mental health issues - but then concludes her being made to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term is going to be the best option.

no and im sorry she should have thought of this she also stated that no one wants glamour pics of a pregant woman then why get this far going on twitter etc posting pics she said she turned down the offer of support from the poss fathers yet is letting 1 pay for the abortion! this isnt like shes living on nothing she had support and offer of financial support

I said abortion would be the best option in this situation. So I hope you weren't quoting me, Doctrine (sorry if I'm wrong, I used the word 'repugnant' you see).

Bloody hell, Odaat. That's the nastiest post I've read for a long time.

Wanting an abortion to further her career is not technically one of the legal reasons but I'm sure a lot of people do it. She will get an abortion the same way she got an NHS boob job to boost her career, by claiming psychological trauma.

I have seen the paper. She is pouting on the front paper holding her bump proudly ... All the while knowing she will will be aborting ... It literally made me feel sick and teary.

"I don't understand the logic that looks at her life, deems it troubled/repugnant/beset with mental health issues - but then concludes her being made to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term is going to be the best option."

Exactly! Surely for someone this troubled it is far better that she doesnt bring a baby into the world.

Not specifically, Mercatel!