josie cunningham.

[CunningAtBothEnds]

I have read an article on the above where she states despite being 18 weeks pregnant and pleased up until now she will be having an abortion to "further her career" namely to qppear on big brother.

whether this is morally ok is one thing but AIBU to ask if an abortion for the reasons she gives is legal? i suppose its similar to someone saying its not the right time, just more brazen?

(I consider myself pro choice btw I just find her apparent callousness a bit tough to take)

Saw this in the front of Daily Mirror on Sunday.

Why on earth was this story front page news?

I would love to know who is advising her to create this persona. Maybe I am being too nice but I suspect there is some agent or "manager" encouraging her on this path of infamy and taking a cut of the money.

I personally believe that every child should be a wanted child and although I disagree with the way she's going about this, I don't think that bringing a new baby into her life is going to improve things for her or the child.

As others have pointed out, I feel far more moral outrage at the editors / journalists / managers etc at the newspapers who think it's acceptable to profit from this woman in this way. What's worse is you just know that they will almost definitely use this woman as the next Vicky Pollard example to portray all single mothers, all people on benefits etc as scum.

To my mind, profit hungry vultures are more worthy of censure than a vulnerable woman and I'm incredibly dubious about the ethics of publishing such a story.

This story printed in the paper is awful, the media really are dire, you can see she has issues by reading her twitter feed, I think it's all very sad.

I do wonder if there is an even less pleasant reason for the setting up of this unfortunate woman as such a spectacular misogynists' punchbag.

One of the pet tactics of foetus-worshippers and the obsessively woman-hating end of the anti-choice movement (which is inherently woman-hating) is to go on, and on, and on about stupid feckless sluts who want late terminations for selfish reasons. They use this tactic to confuse the not-very-clever who believe vaguely in women's right to choose but can get a bit sentimental over ickle babies.

(Let's be very clear. If you think another woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy at any stage is any of your business, ever, you are not very clever, you are too easily swayed by sentimentality or your own personal circumstances (which are no one else's problem) and you don't like women very much. No exceptions)

And now here comes this mixed up girl with her trainwreck public persona so they can all start screaming Look! Look! This is what happens when you give women equal rights! If there aren't sensible Men to make decisions, all women will kill their babies for a new lipstick and a date with a footballer!

ANd there will be a new bill to restrict women's rights to abortion and contraception, because we can't be trusted.

I agree SGB

All that talk about, "Ooooh, she's got a baby bump in that picture, how can she murder her ickle baby now?" worries me.

There seems to be a small but loud forced birth brigade in the UK now, similar to and sent over from the USA. The really scary thing about it is how women's rights and women control over their bodies is being eroded in the USA. I really hope that the UK legislature has more backbone, but I have my doubts.

guardian has a good take on it www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2014/apr/23/1

I agree with every word SolidGoldBrass, spot on.

Good article, I see Dr Christian is spouting more of his crap!

Really Solid? Agree with everything YOU say or we aren't very clever? Outstanding arrogance!

(For the record pro choice up to 24 weeks for any reason whatsoever) then terminations only if the fetus has a life ;limiting disability)

You have the absolute right to your opinion of course but I think the view that terminations up to birth for any reason is a minority view on here and in the general population.

On your other points, the Mail is disgusting and this woman is being exploited in a totally awful way.

She's got a point backcats getting all worked up about what someone else's uterus does is not exactly the brightest thing to do

"They use this tactic to confuse the not-very-clever who believe vaguely in women's right to choose but can get a bit sentimental over ickle babies. Let's be very clear. If you think another woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy at any stage is any of your business, ever, you are not very clever, you are too easily swayed by sentimentality or your own personal circumstances (which are no one else's problem) and you don't like women very much. No exceptions"

Well you've just dismissed most of the pro-choicers on MN, sorry, most pro-choicers in the UK as not-very-clever, sentimental, easily led misogynists. Most people support the idea of abortion to 24 weeks (the current law), very few support the right to abort to term for any reason. (thankfully)

I agree with SGB - "Let's be very clear. If you think another woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy at any stage is any of your business, ever you are not very clever, you are too easily swayed by sentimentality or your own personal circumstances (which are no one else's problem) and you don't like women very much. No exceptions"

Whether a woman terminates before OR AFTER the 24 week limit it is NO-ONE ELSES BUSINESS it is the business of that woman ALONE. It is not up to ANYONE else, pro-choice or anti-choice, to determine what a person does WITH THEIR OWN BODY.

"Whether a woman terminates before OR AFTER the 24 week limit it is NO-ONE ELSES BUSINESS it is the business of that woman ALONE."

Actually Lt, it is. Abortion is only legal in the UK (for non-medical reasons) up to 24 weeks. If a woman tries to illegally abort a pregnancy after 24 weeks then it very much is other people's business. You can idealistically support the idea that abortion after 24 weeks for any reason is no one else's business but legally, it is.

I Didn't mention legalities. Do I really have to quantify for you? OK.

Whether a woman LEGALLY terminates before OR AFTER the 24 week limit it is NO-ONE ELSES BUSINESS it is the business of that woman ALONE. It is not up to ANYONE else, pro-choice or anti-choice, to determine what a person does WITH THEIR OWN BODY

It might not be anyone else's business what she does with her body, but when the person uses the media to draw attention to the fact she's doing it to further her already tawdry 'career', then what does she expect?

Who is this woman anyway? Lots of people had never heard of her until this thread. She appears to be mentally deficient if she can't see she's being exploited by the press.

She appears to be mentally deficient if she can't see she's being exploited by the press.

Nice attitude

Who cares if you think it's a tawdry career it's quite clearly the one she wants

Why is it a problem because its fame she's seeking instead of something like wanting to be a police officer or a judge or a doctor

She makes me feel sick

Needsasock it's no wonder kids today have no ambition if this is the example they are being set.

The whole 'sleb wannabe' culture is so depressing.

"Who cares if you think it's a tawdry career it's quite clearly the one she wants

Why is it a problem because its fame she's seeking instead of something like wanting to be a police officer or a judge or a doctor"

This.

Do you honestly think fame-seeking is as worthy a career?

Is appearing on celebrityBB really a 'career'?

People getting their knickers in a twist and I highly doubt now she will get into CBB at all, infact, the people saying vile things about her, I am going to take a guess you will get your way and she will probably spiral downwards. This isn't a celebrity that's well known for having an affair or some sex scandal, this sort of topic really gets people riled (as seen above) so apart from the odd story she'll sell to That's Life or the DM, I highly doubt any reality show cbb will take her on and I doubt she'll get glamour modelling work either as she isn't "traditionally" the sort of girl you'd see in lads mags. I think this will cause her a lot of damage and she'll probably end up having to sell herself more and that is sad. I can't believe people are saying they want the shit beaten out of her. Disgusting!

So only 'worthy' career types should get to have abortions to protect career prospects? My last job was as a cleaner- is that worthy enough to have deserved a judgement free abortion or should i have had to bring an unwanted child into the world and once again be dependant on benefits to support it?

Sadly, an ever increasing number of people do, Ilovemydog.

Ho hum...