Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

Pfft! You Asda Asbos are the very worst!

And yes heis the bursary and tax credits. All funded by the tax payer...just saying.

Heis I had my son 3 months after I turned 16. Im 26 now. Was on benefits in a deprived area for a while, until his dad (who ran away and joined the army when he found out I was pregnant because he was scared to be a dad so young) had a change of heart and came back to me and we got married. Ds was potty trained and learnt to talk perfectly well at the normal times, his development was fine. He had plenty of fresh fruit and veg, and although I didnt have much money for holidays etc, we would go to the library and to the park and learn about nature, pond dipping and things like that. He had everything he needed. Hes full of curiosity about the world, polite, generous with sharing, compassionate and helpful. We cook his tea together most nights because he wants to learn how to cook, and he loves reading. Some of his closest friends in his class have parents who are on very low incomes and they are lovely, polite, thoughtful and happy children. Some other kids in his class (whose parents are working and on much higher incomes) are over weight (one of them has chocolate spread sandwiches for dinner every day), rude and spoilt, they speak to their parents rudely in the playground and they pick on other children. People and their lives and situations are incredibly diverse and you cant put everyone neatly into little boxes and pigeon holes. Some of the most important things in life dont require money

anonymai - You cant currently get it if you claim working tax credits even if you are on part time minimum wage job its one or the other.

You can at the discretion of the people who arrange the funding. And from September everyone with an income under 16,000 is eligible. You really need to do some reading around these things.

candycoats - I have been involved in more case conferences than I can count I am very much aware of the issues.

wannabestepford - exactly

And actually, for someone who's apparently an assistant manager in a childcare place, you'd think you'd know this. Lends more to the idea of you being fictional.

heisenberg999Sat 05-Apr-14 09:24:53

Agains anecdotes not data. Do you really think the government would spend millions doing this in a recession if it was only for a tiny percentage of people? Its everywhere unfortunately on a pretty large scale

FFS You need to look at history. The reason the miners and their wives fought so fucking hard is because they could see all this bollocks coming. And if we are indeed in a recession how come this Gov has got millions to spend.
30 years ago Thatcher thought unemployment was a price worth paying. And we still feel the effects today. The reason we are in a recession is due to the greed of those at the top. We have coal under our feet (this was in the link i put upthread) and yet they would rather buy it in from abroad. THE STUFF IS HERE UNDER OUR FEET. And yet ppl like you STILL blame it on the ppl who have been victims of Gov. policies. Someone doesnt lose their ability to read or their intelligence or their ability to care for their children or ill partner because they lose their job or cant work JESUS WEPT

heisenberg999 as a trainee Social Worker you will be well aware of the importance of working within non discriminatory practice. Given your responses on this thread I am horrified that a TRAINEE Social Worker is clearly not grasping some of the basic concepts of working without discrimination. In relation to your comment that you have been involved in more case conferences than you can count as an observer perhaps, however do not intimate that trainee Social Workers are the be all and end all. In four words wind.your.neck.in. You clearly have little knowledge with regard to free child care for children aged 2. I suggest you trot off and read the guidelines, or perhaps ask your Practice Teacher to explain them to you.

By the way, I lecture in Social Work, I'm also a Practice Teacher and am a Social Work Service Manager. If ANY of my students had your outlook I would seriously be re-evaluating their suitability to hold a qualification in Social Work, let alone practice with vulnerable people!

Not read whole thread so probably will repeat but a few thoughts.
If childcare 15 hours pw and work 15 hours per week who pays for childcare whilst travelling to work. Than how will they also devote enough time to jobsearching whilst looking after dc.
A ridiculous idea.

71 divided by 15 is 4.73 per hour so hardly a fair wage.

"71 divided by 15 is 4.73 per hour so hardly a fair wage"

Not exactly £71 though is it. An unemployed lone parent would get full tax credits, housing benefit, council tax benefit and child benefit on top of the IS. Add on either FSM or food vouchers, free dental, free prescriptions and then work out the hourly rate and I imagine its more than some skilled workers get.

I think some people only go into the 'helping' professions working with vulnerable people, as some kind of power trip

Heisenberg puts me in mind of a friend of mine who was an adviser for a debt charity - and couldn't understand why after lecturing (she has that tone) a woman who came to her re. debt worries, single mum of 2 young DCs (But WHY did you let yourself get into debt - you could have put a little of your tax credits aside and cut down in other ways such as food, surely) the woman burst into absolute floods of tears and left the office without continuing. Thankfully my friend isn't a debt adviser anymore - good, as the scenarios she told me about would cause us to argue. She works for SS now, with the elderly. Always in a role dealing with vulnerable people yet she has no empathy. Ive told her before, she gets off on lecturing people and one day she may find herself on the other side of the desk if she gets kicked out for going too far. Awful.

You can have the qualifications for caring professions and still get through with zero empathy for people whatsover. Its depressing.

How dare they get anything. I think we should leave lone parents to rot and starve to death. After all, they chose to be abused/to be left/illness/disability/widowed/made redundant. Those selfish bitches. Why didn't they plan for every possible outcome? Everyone knows you should only have children if you both work full time, could survive on your one wage should it go tits up, have a resurrection spell to bring your dead partner back to life, have a magic wand for fixing that pesky disability. How dare these leeches have children when they haven't covered every single option before hand?!

I mean, it's not as if some of these people hating on lone parents have ever relied on family childcare instead of the access all hours imaginary childcare that lone parents are supposed to use. It's not as if some of these people hating on lone parents work part time so would also have to claim benefits should their happy partner cheat on them or die despite telling us we chose our situations. So none of these people are hypocritical whatsoever. Of course.

Happymummy, they'd still be getting all of those things if they were being paid NMW in an actual job too so why is that a problem for you?

You keep coming back with this completely uninformed bollocks.

Happy an employed lone parent would get child tax credits, working tax credits and additional in work benefits if going back to work after a period out of work so not quite sure what your point is?...

Oh and happy they also wouldn't be entitled to council tax benefit. What with there being no such bloody thing anymore

Some areas reduce the council tax for lone parents. They cover 75% of mine. But it varies from area to area.

summers no. Not hypocritical at all when you factor in the Working tax credits (taxpayer funded) child tax credits (tax payer funded) bursaries (tax payer funded) etc yet have the nerve to lecture others on taking from the state.

Dontcare that's a reduction though and varies over local authorities depending on what grant they've managed to successfully apply for to cover the costs. It is not as happy has put it 'council tax benefit'. The benefit part was scrapped throughout the country last April.

I just cannot get my head around why all this hatred is directed towards LPs for claiming what little they need for them and their children to survive when obscenely rich bankers and politicians (who got us into this economic mess in the first place) are being bailed out and given bonus's and pay increases!!!

and now, greedy fuck wit corporations who move our jobs abroad so they can pay cheaper wages, are getting free slave labour from the (unsurprisingly) large and growing pool of unemployed workforce and people agree with that???

What is wrong with people?

Happy is also assuming that all lone parents are unskilled, which is utter rubbish too.

Ah, smugmummy, true to form.

She's a troll, just ignore her.

Well I decided not to go back to work after having my 1st child. As dh had a good salary it was barely cost effective and I had just had a miscarriage. This is of course fine because ths only taxpayer supporting my lifestyle choice is (d) h.
2 more dc later and dh is not so dh anymore. I want out and I will probably have to claim benefits to get back on my feet. Wraparound care for 2 primary dc and childcare for a toddler will be expensive. I have been out of the job market for 10 years and my part time business doesn't pay enough
Workfare won't help. Surestart training courses etc will.
O and if I leave dh I will quslify for childcare at 2 as clearly my dc need all this extra help as they are xo disadvantaged. Well actually they will better off as they will not be reguraly exposed to a dad who is a shouter.

Most Working parents also get child benefit and some e get tax credits and housing benefit too. Theh are not just out of work benefits.