Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

Again pixie. I get 188 from childcare bursary but if I work 16 hours and dh works full time I get tax credits childcare?

Heis without going down the 'my degrees harder than yours' route. I was doing an LLB. If they had no choice but to offer me deferrment I can't see them not being able to do the same for pgce and sw.

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well heis i think you do have some kind odf resentment because you do state that you are helping to bring up many many lone parents children as they cant seem to do it themselves

Spare me your patronising comments please and take them elsewhere, you also seem to imply that most of us neglect our children because many of us dont or cant work, i wont be working for the next five years at least as ds is disabled. I dont see what your seeing, most lone parents i see are doing a fantastic job, hardly your 50 % as you seem to think it is

Are you such a perfect parent?I think some of your parenting choices are questionable but we wont go into those hey

Misspixie - Well been to a meeting and they have said no but dont worry will go and tell them someone on mn said they are lying

joblessness and child neglect,

Any evidence for that heis?

The government are running the childcare schemr for 2 year olds for jobless parents. Its not for childcare but to educate and support the children for better outcomes. I have been to countless courses on it.

You do that Heis.

sheepgomeep it reminds me very much of the daily fail front page. 'Vile product of welfare uk' where they conveniently omitted to mention that the mother bloody worked! But of course it's only joblessness that causes child neglect. Silly uninformed us eh?

At the moment, I work. Dependant on the many variables I outlined earlier that may or may not change.

Despite apparently having all the answers you haven't actually given me any advice on my situation so I can only assume you don't have any.

Do I need to carry on working regardless of my circumstances lest I start neglecting my child the second my p45 drops on the door mat?

I can't say for definite obviously but I'm pretty sure I will still be the same person, still parent my DS in the same way.

Randall no you'd simply be neglecting your child if you became erm jobless

Agains anecdotes not data. Do you really think the government would spend millions doing this in a recession if it was only for a tiny percentage of people? Its everywhere unfortunately on a pretty large scale.

Heis I don't want to out myself but I have a professional/academic background that is relevant here and with the very greatest of respect, if you do not understand the enormous difference between joblessness and 'multiple deprivation' I suggest you either learn -fast- or rethink your career plans.

I have seriously heard it all now, so yet again people like heis swallow the govenment bollocks that jobless people are somehow worthless parents.

By the way heis you do know the difference between deprivation and parental neglect dont you

A child can come from nothing and have nothing, come from a poor background and yet have the most loving and interested parents who want their child to succeed, yet they would still come under the government umbrella of needing things like free nursery places for 2 year olds etc

child neglect to me is physical, sexual and emotional abuse and its not exclusive to those on benefits you know

Aren't you a trainee sw, can you not see the difference?

rightio, I'm off to haul my poor neglected, abused, boundaryless unpotty trained dds to the park and then on a lovely walk and home to do some baking

Deprived in some things they maybe but neglected they are not. Harumph

Sorry, got distracted thinking i'd broken MN - meant to say; find out the difference between joblessness and multiple deprivation and the further difference between multiple deprivation and neglect.

In all seriousness you need to sharpen your critical faculties and start to think about evidence-based practice and policy, how that differs from political rhetoric etc.

Yes I do and the government aren't spending millions on it because of links to poverty. They are doing it to get everyone into work leave everyone with no excuse because they've obviously omitted to consider parents that are full time carers to their children for example.

I don't think it's joblessness in itself that causes neglect but some of the things which cause/ are caused by it like depression, people turning to drink or drugs, loss of motivation, loss of self esteem etc

Sheep have a lovely time. Don't forget to nip into a supermarket on the way for 45p juice for all of you. Tsk! You and your Tesco types!

wanna plenty of people with depression are in full time work.

No offence intended to anyone with depression dp has it and I know that the majority of parents with mh issues don't neglect their children but some people who can't look after themselves do neglect their children

some people that can't look after themselves do neglect their children < indeed. But not all of those are linked to joblessness.

Heisenberg You have demonstrated an incredible lack of empathy on this thread. You are going to need to reflect on this a bit if you want to qualify as a social worker. On your placement, you will come across some incredibly frustrating people who - for various reasons - may not fit in with the idea of the 'average person' you seem to have in your head. Being a social worker is about being non-judgemental and going in with an open mind. I would urge you to read this thread, read some books and consider why you seem to think that everyone should act in the same way as you. The fact that you're comparing your situation to that of a lone parent would concern me. You need to open your eyes or you're going to get an almighty shock.

P.S. your bursary is funded by the tax payer!

misspixietrix no no it's Asda smartprice for our family dontcha know .

Why is a trainee social worker spreading such bollocks?

The two year old funding isn't for the children of jobless parents. It's also for families with low income (depending where you live), families where a single parent can't manage her job and college, families where a sibling has a disability, families where they aren't managing to juggle all the balls and the child isn't getting chance to be socialised.

So stop talking shite.