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Original poster

Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

999 replies

WaterLoadaCack · 01/04/2014 21:54

kept that quiet didnt they

OP posts:
gordyslovesheep · 04/04/2014 20:26

no a couple has to have one party working 24 hours

now get back to those books - we need you to qualify as a social worker and put the poor in order Grin

RandallFloyd · 04/04/2014 20:27

So are you taking/not taking maternity leave or giving up work?
You can't claim maternity pay and study full time but of course with your vast knowledge of the UK benefits system you would already know that.

RandallFloyd · 04/04/2014 20:28

Must. Stop. Baiting.

(But it's so hard when it's so easy Grin)

gordyslovesheep · 04/04/2014 20:28

sorry I stand corrected - 24 hours total - 16 hours for one - apologies

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 20:29

Gordy - to get childcare tax credits?

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 20:29

:) oh heiss.

Bless you.

If you are real, i feel very sorry for you. You clearly have NO bloody clue at all. and from that i doubt you are going to be successful in what you are trying to do.

However, we all know its bull. you cant get your facts right.

So, why dont you just apolgise for being an antagonizing shit and just move on :)

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 20:30

You can randall on my BA I claimed maternity and was at full time university as you are entitled as long as you have worked in the notice period.

Anonymai · 04/04/2014 20:31

And there is a minimum for UC. If one of you isn't doing something like 35 hours, you are breaking the terms and get sweet FA. You're shit at this matey.

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 20:32

no, you cant take maternity leave AND get a bursary AND tax credits to fund a masters.

unless you are of course, giving up your job totally? in which case, why should the tax payer fund something that is your choice?

And why should you be exempt from workfare when this is all your choice not to have a job?

DontCareAboutYourShoes · 04/04/2014 20:32

But they are right about maternity. My cousin is a full time student and also on maternity leave from her weekend/evening job. Not sure if she gets money though.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 20:34

You can honestly statutory maternity is not a benefit. You get tax credits continuing if your going back to work so they cover you during maternity hence why mant mums leave their dc in childcare whilst on maternity for continuity of care for child.

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 20:38

and how on earth are you going to manage this full time job you have with a full time uni course when your mat leave it up?

and when you lost your mat pay? and the child tax credits that come with that?

Anonymai · 04/04/2014 20:38

Heisenberg. What's the difference between you choosing to accept child tax credits to do a course and me being forced to accept them to feed my child? Just curious laaaaike.

fideline · 04/04/2014 20:48

Look;

Maternity pay is taxpayer funded (reimbursed to employer)
Tax Credits are taxpayer funded
NHS/SW bursaries are taxpayer funded

It doesn't matter what the combo is Heis. Why do you expect the taxpayer to fund your lifestyle choices?

fideline · 04/04/2014 20:49

Anon the difference is she is better than you (in her head).

HTH Smile

Anonymai · 04/04/2014 20:50
Grin

Of course! How didn't I see that!

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 20:51

Because if you do that and support people then they wont need tax credits in a couple of years or any help. Thats what we should be doing and helping people that want to work instead of people that dont. Plenty of sahms and single mums that would love that option so why force ones that dont through workfare? Childcare is too patchy over the country if my crappy area can do it why cant it spread around? Its anti women not allowing people who really want to progress do so.

midwifeandmum · 04/04/2014 20:52

I think this is unfair to just focus on 'lone parents'. What about 2 parent families that are BOTH on benefits.

Do the torries think that all lian parents set out to be lone parents. Is it always a mum/dads fault that they are single.

Its as if they are punishing lone parents for being single.

Discrimination at a high level!!!

I went back to work as a midwife 12 weeks after my emc/s with dd2 as I wasnt entitled to maternity pay with being a 'bank' member of staff. So I know what its like to struggle with a work/life balance but I dont agree with singling lone parents out. Lets single out the drunks/addicts for deliberately setting out to self desruct their lives and use our money to do it!!

womblesofwestminster · 04/04/2014 20:55

People, people, the focus on "lone parents with kids as young as 3" was the April fool part in the OP link.

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 20:56

but there is NO WAY on this planet, that i wouldnt need tax credits, because being a lone parent, on one wage, i do not earn enough. The adverage job in my area, for full time, adminy/ mid level type things is about £14- 16K. I would still need tax credits at that level.

I would need to be earning a considerable sum to not need them. A sum that is not possible to earn in this area. Which is not possible for me to retrain for, as i need to work to pay bills... and which the choice to do a masters has been taken from me as i would end up on workfare........

open you very narrow eyes heiss.

RandallFloyd · 04/04/2014 20:59

Fair enough. I didn't realise you could claim to be taking mat leave from a full time job (which is legally classed as still working full time) and be funded to study full time all at the same time. I presumed one would cancel the other out. My mistake.

Anyway, I'm confused. Are you working or not working? I thought you were working and studying hence the 50hpw childcare.

But then again you also said you simultaneously had a never ending army of FB friends ready, willing and able to babysit at the drop of a hat and also absolutely no RL support.

You can see where people could lose track.

Anonymai · 04/04/2014 21:00

How wombles? A quick search on google shows this has been floating around since December. Not April 1st.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 21:00

Its not possible to retrain for now but why not put the money in to that help all the mums.that want to train, provide adequate childcare you can rely on all overvthe country and pour money in to that instead of wasting it on getting people that have no intention of working do workfare? Its beneficial.in the long run working lives are long and when the children leave home or can ve left much better using skilled people who want to work that have had childcare for a few years than forcing people to languish on benefits.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 21:03

I am working full time going on maternity doing a masters then after maternity going back on full time hours for summer holidays then less hours for 9 months then graduation. Social work placements are 40 hours a week + travelling time hence need for lots of childcare

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 21:04

because its cheaper for the govt to do the workfare thing, makes the rich richer and distracts people from whats really happening as they are all too busy frothing at the mouth at the damn single parents sitting on their arses watching jeremy kyle.

and that if everyone was to retrain, there would be the jobs. there are never enough jobs.

however, you also said at the beginning of this thread that any one with any skills can easily walk into a job if they wanted to, as your whole workplace had done so, because they wanted to.

so, kind of no point in retraining then...

except i wont ever earn enough...

oh look, we are going round and round in circles.

but yeah, you sit and judge me.
:)

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