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Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

999 replies

WaterLoadaCack · 01/04/2014 21:54

kept that quiet didnt they

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heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 21:07

I meant in comparison to some working in shops or waitering etc. As we were all childcare we were skilled so jobs available much more freely albeit low paid. However much easier when you have some skill going for tesco et al right now your fucked too much competition.

fideline · 04/04/2014 21:08

No Wombles It is a long planned scheme for 'long term' JSA claimants, which includes LPs

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 21:09

Needmorecake you have stated you work I have no idea why you think I judge you. I never said I did

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 21:10

did you miss the whole argument earlier? the stats about the majority of working lone parents end up being in low paying jobs, because they are the only ones that offer any kind of flexiability? Im skilled, ive got more experience that i can shake a stick at. I still work in a shop because its the only thing that works with my lifestyle right now.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 21:12

Yes because of the current system but it doesnt have to be that way.

fideline · 04/04/2014 21:13

We have done at least two complete circles now Confused

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 21:17

slaps self

have you read ANY of this.

The current system, which isnt going to change any time soon, and the very reason this thread was started, because its getting HARDER for people.

or are you going to single handedly change it when you become a nurse/ social worker/ etc etc

RandallFloyd · 04/04/2014 21:29

So your initial plan was to claim full SMP plus a full bursary, tax credits and full childcare funding and your DH was going to give up work too.

And you think the rest of us are a drain on the taxpayer Hmm

EatShitDerek · 04/04/2014 21:35

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MistressDeeCee · 04/04/2014 21:40

God forbid they should put effort and funds into making all absent parents cough up and help to support their children.

This society makes single mums sound as if they underwent an immaculate conception.

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 21:40

Uneducated, ignorant heathens....

but wtf do i know. Im a lone parent who works in a shop.

Darkesteyes · 04/04/2014 21:43

on getting people that have no intention of working do workfare?

AND THERE WE HAVE IT dont we Heiss THIS is what you REALLY think of ppl who are forced on workfare. How the fuck do YOU know what their individual circumstances are. Like i said earlier they are not going to have "i am a carer" etc emblazoned across their jacket.
In one breath you say you are against workfare yet in the next you say none of them want to work
IF you are a real social worker then i am extremely worried that there is a gaslighter like you working in that sector (though sadly i suspect you wouldnt be the only one.
Oh and if you are bullshitting there are 2 main things you need to have to be a decent liar.

  1. a good memory.
  2. consistency.

You have neither!

Ladyjaxo · 04/04/2014 21:54

Fuck anyone who gets Heis's brand of help if she ever becomes a social worker. They are doomed, seems like she is missing an essential trait to be a social worker, the ability to empathize and listen. That's a shameful standard to be working with anyone vulnerable.

boschy · 04/04/2014 22:25

god, I'd kind of hoped social workers would be literate, what with having to write reports, listen to lawyers etc etc (quite apart from empathising, helping families)

MexicanSpringtime · 05/04/2014 06:10

I know this is almost changing the subject, but I honestly don't understand you Heiss, putting a two-week-old baby into fulltime childcare. Call me narrow-minded, but some people's backs are up against the wall and they have no choice, but why did you have a baby under those circumstances and why do you think other people should emulate you?

heisenberg999 · 05/04/2014 07:23

Cause if I dont I lose my place and have to reply even though Im pregnant. The equality act says they cant chuck you off for carrying on but they make you reply for next year if you defer and its 1 to 6 chance of getting in and its the only way to do right by my family I did it with baby 1 (went back at 2 weeks) as we have always been a minimum wage family with mortgage so you do do what you got to as dh says for the greater good!

I got pregnant by accident and was going to abort had a thread on mn about it but didnt at the 11th hour as Im a big softie so here we are.

I know I dont understand what its like as Im not a single mum though so as have been told have no clue on any hardship issue, which is my whole point I do Ive not been able to take sick, Ive had to send my dc to whoever, Ive had to do the lot so know how hard it is to try and make it but still think its better than the alternative of deprivation that most children in pockets of my area grow up in. I see the horrible side and children being brought up in the worst situations and although I have been portrayed as hating single mums which I dont. I know many that do well for their children, but its also many and many jobless couples who have lost all hope and Im helping bringing up their children who have no skills at all. 50% of the children I look after have some sort of issue cant speak, cant use cutlery, not potty trained, under cahms for what they have seen, no routine, no boundaries etc.Sending their parents on workfare is stupid its so frustrating but it is the 100s of these families that will be sent when there are more pressing issues. Thank god we now have 2 year old childcare scheme.

I was not personally slating anyone on here although Ive been told Im cruel as wouldnt treat a dog like that, got issues, thick, a liar, and that I am apparently better than everyone etc etc and I still have felt no need to pick on another poster. Anyway my last post in this thread. Enjoy the weekend all.

Needsmorecake · 05/04/2014 08:21

I wish you luck heiss, i have a feeling that it might all be a lot harder than you think .

I think peoples backs were put up by your ' well im going to have to do it so everyone else should'

spouting rubbish and then ignoring direct questions, none of which you have answered, except for throwing around inane statements like using childcare on a saturday.

And as a parent that has been married, married to someone in the forces who was away a lot, and on my own, even though in some respects i was lone parenting in both situations, i can tell you it is in no way comparable. So no, you dont know, and it might do you well to recognise that fact.

It sounds like your area is a deprived area ( bar the million pound houses at the end of the road) and that you are getting this mixed up with stereotypes of single parents. They are two totally different issues, and again, hopefully something you can figure out and learn more about else you are going to be a terrible social worker.

When a parent ends up on their own, they dont magically lose their education, morals, values and standards. If those issues were there before, due to soco- economic issues then yes, there will still be there, but they are not a product of being a lone parent.

My child is one of the brightest in her class, shes working a year ahead. Shes bright and interested in the world. She helps round the house, sometimes even willingly! We garden together, we cook, we visit castles and museums, we camp, we fly kites. She can use a knife and fork....As can many many many lone parent families children.

But anyway, you go save the world with your 2 year childcare places and your blinkered view, while the tax payer funds that ( still didnt explain why thats ok, but tax credits for single parents arent....)

oh, and its REAPPLY.

:)

fideline · 05/04/2014 08:45

Maybe she genuinely didn't realise how offensive her generalising and moralising was? Hmm

She still seems to be drawing a rather lurid connection between joblessness and child neglect. Yet she is also still insisting she means no offense.

fideline · 05/04/2014 08:47

*It sounds like your area is a deprived area ( bar the million pound houses at the end of the road) and that you are getting this mixed up with stereotypes of single parents. They are two totally different issues, and again, hopefully something you can figure out and learn more about else you are going to be a terrible social worker. 8

Yes, this needs.

Ho hum, maybe SW (or nursing?? Confused ) training will open her eyes and synapses

Misspixietrix · 05/04/2014 08:48

Heis they don't make you reapply at all. They offer you the option of deferring. Quite different to what you are saying. I know this as a fact because it is what they had to offer me when I fell pg with Ds. Also aren't bursarys for those on low incomes? Just wondering how you managed to get one with Dh working?...

sheepgomeep · 05/04/2014 08:51

my child has been under camhs since he was six but his problems have been there from birth and i was a homeowning, in a good relationship with both his dad and I in full time jobs. If you didnt know my family you may well put down his problems as a direct result of being a lone parent. There are many many children who are involved with camhs who dont come from lone parent families, do you judge them?

As I have said before, all four of my children are doing extremely well in school, they are bright, enthusiatic, I put a lot into them, they can garden, knit and crochet even ds Smile . Ds can cook very well too. They ask questions, they have boundaries and a routine, all were potty trained without problems. In fact I believe I give them more than many of my friends with kids who are married, who dont have boundaries, or take their kids out etc.

Most of the lone parents i know are doing the same as me, there is only one who i worry for and worry for her dc. But her problems are huge, she has severe mental health issues, and her mum is very ill, she cant access help.

I really resent the view that the state are bringing up my poor poor deprived, thick, incontinant children. Ive paid in all my life until a few years ago so in my eyes Im getting what ive paid in until I can get myself sorted again. And I will. I will show all you fuckers Grin

heisenberg999 · 05/04/2014 08:52

They dont misspixie. I have spoke to them its different at certain unis for pgce and social work. You get a bursary regardless of income its top 25 candidates on course.

There is a connection between joblessness and child neglect hence the 2 years old childcare scheme and the reason government started it. There is a very strong connection.

heisenberg999 · 05/04/2014 08:54

Again I have no provlem with single mums
Its long term joblessness I believe to be a big problem.

Misspixietrix · 05/04/2014 08:58

Oh right. Nhs bursaries. Scratch my last post. Heis you really are wrong on the working hours. As a couple you HAVE to be working more than 24hours a week for tax credits. I never got any help at uni from tax credits for childcare neither. I had to apply to student finance for it.

Misspixietrix · 05/04/2014 09:00

There is a connection between joblessness and child neglect Confused