To absolutely fucking hate...

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...kids that squeal at the top of their voices for absolutely no reason than wanting attention!

And also their parents for not making them shut the hell up!

Im not talking babies or even toddlers, but young children just bloody squealing! Argh!!!!!!

Has the OP been back?

My son goes to a special school. They have a supermarket trip every week. The idea being that the children learn life skills.

Hiding children with SN away by shopping on-line isn't ideal.

We (as I have a DS with SNs) / you (if you have a child with SNs too) are doing ourselves no favours whatsoever by turning every thread into a 'what about the child with SNs?'.
Can't you see it just builds up hostility and loses goodwill when every innocent statement is just leapt on by (as we are sometimes called) 'the SN brigrade'.
Yes, some of us have very challenging children, however it should be clear that the OP is talking about children who could moderate their behaviour or whose parents could make some attempt to control them, rather than those children with SNs.
It would be ridiculous to have to qualify every statement with "of course I am not talking about children/people with SNs..........".
I was in a supermarket today. I had a very tall man come up to me wrap his arms around me and nuzzle his face into may neck. I didn't scream assault or ring 999, as it was clear that the man had learning difficulties and had slipped away from his two support workers who told me "he just liked hugs."
I could make that distinction between someone acting with malicious intent and someone who had limited control over their actions. Most of us can. And it's the over-indulged screamer rather than the SN child that the OP is righly saying is a blasted nuisance.
And I quite agree.

I would like to ban retired people from shopping during the weekend when they could do it online. AIBU?

YABU!

I'd never slap or physically chastise a child in any way and am very anti smacking.

This doesn't in any way contradict my view that parents can teach their (non SN) children (toddlers having a tantrum also exempt ) that it's not okay to scream their heads off in certain places, that it's not okay to scooter round a shopping centre into OAPs and so on. It's basic manners and consideration for others imo.

It's the language of the OP that I don't particularly like. Talking about "absolutely fucking hating children".

You're within your rights to not like squealing...but to absolutely fucking hate children who do something you don't like seems so strong to me.

My DD is 3 and as far as I know doesn't have any SN but she squeals and whines a lot. I've tried to stop her and I'm hoping she'll grow out of it...I don't just stand idly by and not give a shit about it, I feel defensive and anxious....but I'm not going to hit and hurt her (which I'm assuming is the whole point of a "sharp slap") to get her to submit.

It's the attitude towards the children here, so it's understandable that parents who have tried and failed to correct this behaviour, or who have children who cannot help it, are going to be defensive.

OP may not have been referring to children with SEN, but how do you know that the children haven't got SEN?! With one of my charges you would never had guessed that she had SEN without having a conversation with her, she is high functioning, but her stims did include squealing. You may have looked at her and complained and glared (and many did) but there was nothing that could be done about it. She still does it.

Its all well saying "Well OP didn't mean children with SEN of course!" but the truth of the matter is, you cannot tell a lot of the time. That is why those with autistic children and children who are not NT come onto these threads.

Any kind of loud noise can be annoying but unless you are being forced to listen to it constantly and it is being detrimental to your health & well-being, it is just one of those things, like roadworks or car alarms or whatever, that life throws up at you.

I may think ffs shut up on occasion even when I have no idea why the child is squealing but unless I can see some maltreatment that would require reporting I accept that it may be that the child is bored/tired/hungry/has SN/is just having a tantrum/bad day.

Unless it was an ongoing thing that I couldn't get away from day in day out and it was seriously affecting my ability to function myself, I would let it go.

My neighbour has small children, they make more noise than my DS did at that age, but as he gets older maybe they might have to put up with him coming in at late hours

Bit of tolerance wouldn't go amiss?

Ok

If you're complaining about children squealing and
a)those children do not have SNs - YANBU
b)those children do have SNs - YABVU
c) you don't know whether the child has SNs or not - YA/NBU

And that's a good point that someone made about children with SNs who are hypersensitive to noise - a scream or a screech (according to my DS) is like a knife stabbing you.

DD is unfortunately a screamer. NT to our knowledge. I make her sit down and calm down or remove her from the situation unless it is open air park type environment. It does my nut.

Thanks to MN I no longer assume other screamers are necessarily the unruly NT children of disinterested parents. Instead I take a deep breath and remember all the times DD has been there and how horrid it feels to be judged as a parent.

Evening, folks

Thanks to all who have reported this thread.

Just wanted to drop a link to our This Is My Child info on invisible disabilities www.mumsnet.com/campaigns/this-is-my-child-myth-6-you-can-always-tell-when-someone-has-a-disability

We'd be grateful if posters could try to be sensitive to the challenges faced by parents of children with special needs - and indeed, to the challenges we all face as parents.

Oh FFS the thread wasn't about special needs, it was about screaming. Every annoying thing that anyone does could in theory be put down to special needs. OBVIOUSLY people who can't help their behaviour should not be held responsible but although you'd never think it from reading Mumsnet, most people are in fact NT - yes, the t stands for typical - so do we have to have so many threads derailed by SN parents twisting everything into an attack on them/their DCs, reporting, and then this tedious politically correct MNHQ arse-covering? Sharp slaps all round, quite frankly...

agree with whoever was uncomfortable with OP's 'fucking hate children' crap. no matter how irritating a squealing child is, fucking hating children just because they are behaving like children is far more unpleasant.

People are noisy, it happens.

I had a friend whose daughter went through a phase of random screaming. There was nothing to be done, asking her not to didn't work, punishing her didn't work, I don't think she even realised she was about to/was doing it half the time, she grew out of it.

DS2 gets over excited sometimes, he is 4, it happens.

If I hear a scream/squeal I usually look in the direction it came from to make sure all is OK, then I forget about it, because it is not my problem.

Agree Holla. Perhaps MNHQ could just delete the posts and/or shut down the board as soon as they come up, it would save all the anguish...

Vampyre, you're being obtuse. You can't really think that OP said that she 'hates children'? She doesn't hate children. I don't even know the OP but I know that that was not what she meant. I get so tired of posters leaping on clumsy wording whenever it suits them and shaping it to their own paranoia.

Maybe everyone should just comment on every thread that is complaining about things people do with 'but they could be SN'

Oh wait...

God some people are so rude

Holla's quite right. Threads are constantly derailed now. The ability to have an intelligent discussion about a subject is rapidly dimishing.
This is what will eventually kill off social networking sites, the fact that people will not be able to express any views without having someone determined to jump on them.
I'm starting to find it very tedious.

You may agree with holla.

But her manner was exceedingly rude.

I didn't even derail the thread in the manner you are talking about.

But I see people talking about their children who scream, and have SN, and THEY are jumped on horribly and treated like they are not allowed to post their valid viewpoints.

In a far ruder manner.

Bloody hell, when parents of children with SN contribute to a thread it's seen as derailing, they're accused of ambushing, derailing, twisting things etc etc. It's utterly depressing.

To the posters who have said these things, do you really not see how offensive you are being?

Yes. It's truly shocking and rude.

I've just been at an event where my DD made noises and people glared. dD has obvious SN.

People hating screaming affects us.

The glares are shit.

It would be a valid contribution to this thread to say that.

But had I said it I'd get a good tongue lashing from holla et al

Seriously why the fuck do people do that.

I picture them with fingers in ears, la la la, I'm not listening.

My views are not valued, not welcomed and I'm supposed to hang out in the SN topics and stay off the NT threads in case I derail them (ie introduce another aspect that some posters feel uncomfortable about)

It would be fine if everyone irl didn't glare at kids with SN for screaming.

The it would be irrelevant to mention it.