To absolutely fucking hate...

[MinnieMouse5678]

...kids that squeal at the top of their voices for absolutely no reason than wanting attention!

And also their parents for not making them shut the hell up!

Im not talking babies or even toddlers, but young children just bloody squealing! Argh!!!!!!

Its called true integration and it certainly does not happen on MN.

Sparkily Special educational needs and Special needs? Yes? Is that relevant?

I would hardly call my experience extensive though. I have a deaf daughter and i worked with disabled you adults, only in a riding school teaching though (Hence the kicking in the chest, from the horse!).

I was just making the point that it's perfectly possible to dislike something without being rude about it.

I take Fanjos point. It doesn't bother me personally if people would find my daughters tones/volume annoying but i see how other parents who's children have disabilities and additional needs may be upset.

Oh course it's relevant, they are different things.

@WetAugust

I avoided this thread because I knew exactly how it would go and I was right

Yep, that's my point. It's so predictable. It's like being on a forum about tropical fish and posting repeatedly 'my tortoise doesn't do that'.

We may be misunderstanding you WetAugust, but that seems to be pretty much the opposite of the inclusivity we're aiming for, tbh.

Rather than regarding children with SN as 'tortoises' and NT children as 'tropical fish', we'd love it if all posters could think of children - whatever their needs and differences, and let's face it all children have their individual needs and differences - as just children. And any parent, of any child, is more than welcome to add their perspective to any discussion on here.

This is where we have to agree to disagree Wet. I don't post to raise awareness. I just join in the chat and share experiences, like everyone else, my experiences happen to be about a child with SN because I only have one child and she has AS.

Hear hear

Tht made it sound like the horse kicked me in the chest. I meant a couple of the clients would kick me in the chest as they were sat on the horse.

Thanks for not addressing any other part of my post WA.

Is that sacarasm or genuine thanks?

An approach is part of a plan. In order for a campaign to achieve a successful outcome it needs a plan. Otherwise you are just firing indescriminately at everything you don't like and are unlikely to hit the real targets. That's why the MN campaign may raise awareness but won't actually achieve a lasting outcome, because it doesn't have a well thought out plan. It just has a underlying policy that says 'be nice to everyone'. Great aim - just very weak execution.

SEN = Special Educational Need

SN = Special Need.

They can co-exist or the can exist separately from each other.

Sarcasm.

Anyway not ignoring, going out for MD lunch now.

Maybe people could just try treating everyone like human beings and understand that coming into contact with human beings means you will be exposed to behaviour that may annoy you but is ultimately harmless... SN or not?

Like i said, finding things annoying is fine. You don't have to love everything everyone does. Just smile, and move on. People don't generally do things on purpose to annoy randoms.

FlockOfTwats you hippy. I like you

Glad you were not repeatedly kicked in chest by a horse.

a child who is screaming for no reason other than attention

The point is, is that the op can't tell if a child has SN, so she can't say that they are screaming for no reason.

Also they could be screaming for attention but have SN so either be unable to do otherwise or not understand discipline.

RowanMNHQ

That's really leaping to see offence where none was intended by implying I thought that children with SN were tortoises. It was a simple analogy that was trying to describe who ittitating it is to people who want to talk about one subject - ie. tropical fish only to be interrupted by a tortoise owner. It's not derogatory to child NT/SN or who fall into any special category.

It's pretty ripe to be lecturing me on inclusion. I think you'll find that with a DS in his mid twnties I have probably done my fair share of encouraging real inclusivity in my time.

Perhaps we need a debate on Site Stuff because this is a situation that occurs repeatedly. There are some posters that I feel are a bit 'goady' by raising the subject at every opportunity - but of course I can't really say that because all things SN are sacred in our strive for inclusivity.

But look like all other kids..ie be a tortoise masquerading as a tropical fish

Yes, it could be a tortoise masquearding as a tropical fish.

And on that note, I shall hide this thread.

If you mean me for being goady for mentioning it..I wasnt on thread until I saw people being upset.

And my only child has SN so I tend to mention it to explain behaviour that may seem unusual to those who don't know.

I didnt used to..then got berated for having a karge child in a buggy or nappies.

Well shame you had to hide it just then. I was being light hearted with that reference.

I'm glad you defended your posts WetAugust. Not quite sure about Rowans post, MNHQ don't normally post opinions, as far as I've seen. Maybe due to a high level of reporting.

Agree with flockoftwats spot on.

There,s been some very unpleasant posts on this thread.Want to ask MNHQ,if you want total inclusivity,as in my opinion there should be,why do posters still have to opt in to see "special needs" topics?

Im not sure about rowans post either I think she was looking for slight where there was none and stoking the fire in a P.A way - strange..

My dd (10 months) shrieks for no fucking reason like a screaming goat, right in my face when I have a hangover I may fling her out the window!

Strange.

I thought rowans post was lovely and supportive.