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To challenge couple in restaurant who judged my DCs?

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TotesAmazebelle · 27/03/2014 19:38

Had dinner out earlier in an Italian restaurant. I agreed that the DCs (11 and 9) could play their Kindle Fires for 10-15 minutes when we got there. This is not sth they do often - they never usually play them in a restaurant or even around the dinner table at home.

Two tables away a couple (mid 60s) were tutting head shaking and he said "the trouble is they lose the art of conversation". I don't think they intended me to hear it, but it came over loud and clear.

I waited until they had finished their starter then approached them. I said in a quiet voice that I was sorry for interrupting them and that I heard what they had said. I said I wanted to let them know that my children had had a busy day at school and the eldest one had just had a one hour language tuition session after school. That I said that they can play for 15 minutes and that it's not sth we would normally do blah blah. They apologised for the comment and said they just think it's a shame when kids have their faces in devices all the time (they said they didn't have children of their own but have noticed it with nephews and neices etc.). I actually agree with this whey is why I don't let mine play at the table etc. and I told them this. We actually had a pleasant conversation about it.

I clearly felt the need to challenge their judgemental view. I was sat there for some time trying to decide whether to say something or not and the saying something clearly got the better of me. I just felt that they know nothing about us and what we would normally do. I didn't want them to go away with an assumption about me/my kids/other kids (am a bit sick of hearing about the downfall of the youth of today from older generations).

But was I being unreasonable? Should I have just ignored them (after 15 minutes kids had put Kindles away and we were chatting amongst ourselves and maybe they'd have seen this).

OP posts:
SparklySocks · 28/03/2014 13:28

People without kids always know best. Were you not aware of that OP? Grin

Martorana · 28/03/2014 13:35

The next thread where it is considered entirely reasonable to make judgements about people because they are "elderly" ie over 60, I will report and see if MNHQ actually care about casual ageism.

kungfupannda · 28/03/2014 13:38

Thinking about this, the OP was actually pretty illogical.

She agreed with the couple about not allowing gadgets at the table. There's presumably a reason for that rule, and the most likely reasons are that she thinks it's rude/unnecessary/takes the place of conversation.

So she went to challenge them about a rule that she actually agrees with, but had decided to break on this particular occasion for reasons specific to her own family and own situation.

IdkickJilliansAss · 28/03/2014 13:38

Wouldn't your fortune telling husband have foretold the incident moononastick?

gotthemoononastick · 28/03/2014 14:09

Jillian...crystal ball long gone,but he certainly can still kick the ass!

Aventurine · 28/03/2014 14:09

OP wasn't hiding behind a door eavesdropping, she was openly sitting in a restaurant and the people made their comment loudly enough for her to hear. People who make passive aggressive comments about what people near them are doing are irritating.

IdkickJilliansAss · 28/03/2014 14:24

Grin verbally I hope!

MillyONaire · 28/03/2014 14:26

Well at least the art of eavesdropping is alive and well in your neck of the woods!!

Dinosaursareextinct · 28/03/2014 14:27

Was once at a UK airport and heard a German couple talking to each other in German about how crap English people are. Apparently English people being crap also involves none of us understanding German so they could be as rude (and loud) as they wanted. Half wish I had pulled them up on it, but I half agreed with them...

gotthemoononastick · 28/03/2014 14:30

Yes Jillian,only ever verbally and always to the highest Silk standard.I like you by the way...clever gel.

brdgrl · 28/03/2014 14:36

Whatever the content of what they said, you concede that you genuinely were not meant to hear it, so - while it might burn a bit - the civil thing for you to do was to take no notice. You might be forgiven a sharp look that let them know they'd spoken too loudly - but I think it was going too far to confront them.

Floggingmolly · 28/03/2014 14:48

I really do try to remember that we never know the circumstances
So you shove the circumstances down the throat of anyone who looks crooked at you? What you said sounds as sanctimonious as be damned; I bet they thought you were a right bloody loon.
The nerve of you, getting in their faces like that! They weren't actually speaking to you at all...
I'd have complained if you'd approached me, however "pleasant" you wrongly imagine you were.

squizita · 28/03/2014 14:55

Doesn't sound unreasonable. You were polite. If you'd shouted the odds it would be totally different.

And if they'd said it to be heard it is a very English form of bullying relying on the other person not calling them for it.

SirChenjin · 28/03/2014 14:57

The civil thing to do would have been to have a "general conversation" in tones loud enough to be heard 2 tables away about ill mannered people who feel it necessary to pass judgement on others who are causing them no harm whatsoever.

MIL does this all the time. She feels it's her place to comment on others. It isn't, it's ignorant and makes her look foolish.

squizita · 28/03/2014 14:59

At the beach in France, my mum overheard a stranger slagging off her "huge tall pink Scottish body" in Frenchy (we're not actually Scottish, and to this day aren't sure why she added the racial element) and saying she should be ashamed to shower on the beach.

My mum didn't say anything to her, but turned around and started chatting in fluent French to her friend. Then gave a terrifying 'you do KNOW I can understand you' glare (down at her: my mum is rather Amazonian) ... the woman skulked off. Grin

Some people really do rely on others not hearing/not understanding to be damn rude.

squizita · 28/03/2014 15:00

Frenchyy??? Stupid typo. French. The language not the Grease character.

TryingToBePractical · 28/03/2014 15:12

It sounds to me like you have double standards about this. There are lots of things I judge (I love a good old judge but would not comment out loud and always remind myself I am only seeing a snapshot). Very occasionally I find myself doing one of those things I judge (which are of course fine in moderation). If someone happened to see me doing so, then I would think it would be fair enough to judge and would not feel the need to point out that the last time we went to Macdonalds was 2 years ago so I should not be judged the same as a serial Macdonalds goer.
Your posts suggest that you agree that children using devices when out for dinner is not great, but you somehow expect others to know that of course this is different and every other meal you have been out for you have all sat discussing Tolstoy or the situation in the Ukraine.

I had a situation like this the other night. DD was late coming home from gymnastics, so I agreed we could pick up a takeaway on the way home. We very rarely get takeaways and never on a week night. As she was sitting at home eating chicken and chips (at 9 in the evening!), our new neighbour arrived to ask if we would mind taking her DD to school the next morning. DH invited her in for a coffee so she witnessed DD and her (late) takeaway. No doubt she judged us as lazy parents who stuff their DC was takeaway. But I think it is kind of funny.

ilovedogsandcats · 28/03/2014 15:28

If I'd seen your children I'd have silently judged.

mercibucket · 28/03/2014 15:43

frenchy sounds a great language

SirChenjin · 28/03/2014 15:44

Silently judging = fine - how many of us don't do that?! Vocalising that judgement in earshot of the judgee (is that a word?!) = not fine

TryingToBePractical · 28/03/2014 15:57

I agree the couple were rude if they said it out loud knowing they would or could be heard. But OP seems upset as much about what they were judging for not just the fact it was said out loud. She felt the need not just to point out they were rude to speak out loud but also to justify the use of the devices in her particular circumstances while agreeing in general that the use of devices in restaurants is rude.

AchyFox · 28/03/2014 16:01

Do you find yourself "having a quiet word" with quite a lot of people OP ?

Maybe you are the comment-police.Grin

SirChenjin · 28/03/2014 16:05

Which is fine.....

An analogy that popped into my head is this: imagine if my DD (14) fell pregnant. We went out for a meal, and a couple 2 tables up from us saw her and started having a 'general conversation' about how they disapproved of teenage pregnancy in tones so loud that we were able to hear clearly. Now, as a parent, I would be far from thrilled if she was pregnant, and I would have communicated that to her very clearly whilst respecting her decision to continue with the pregnancy. However, I would not let their conversation go unchallenged, and so I would do what the OP did - I would be extremely (some might say icily) polite, but they would be left in no doubt as to the inappropriateness and ill mannered nature of their loud 'general conversation'.

squizita · 28/03/2014 16:12

I have sat in a restaurant as the rather tanked-up uncouth family on the table over have had a lively discussion about whether I was anorexic or bulimic (crudely- referring to 'eye eye she's gonna go throw it up' when I went to the loo and laughing "Well it won't be to change her tampax like that could have periods... disgusting!")

It was rather odd as whilst I am I suppose slimmish, I in no way look underweight. I have a large bust and bottom. I'm size 10 not size 0.

As I walked back I am afraid I just said "What are you on about?" as if they were complete idiots in a very icy tone.

Just as well I did. My BF was going to do exactly as they were doing to me, back to them, about the very obvious cheap wig the man was wearing.

ArtexMonkey · 28/03/2014 16:18

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