To not get the problem with skin whitening?

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Just seen a video with a singer Dencia 'defending' her decision to lighten her skin and the interviewer suggesting that it means she's uncomfortable being a black woman. Provided the product is safe to use, I don't see why someone lightening dark skin is any different ethically to a pale person using fake tan, or someone putting a dye on grey hair.

Add message | Report | Message poster EveesMummy Sun 23-Mar-14 17:40:37
Big paws, I know a girl who fake tans and dyes her hair black and thinks she looks mixed race. Talks like she's black and generally doesn't tell people she isn't mixed race.
*what the hell is talking black please I actually find this highly offensive
Do you mean like tandie newton or jamelia from loose women or Diane Abbott MP what the frigg is talking black as far as I can see black people sound comply different just like there is no such thing as

Talking white you would never say to a black person your trying to talk white would you

Oh I missed that reply!

I didn't know jamelia was on loose women now. How I miss daytime tv!

You know what I mean, she talks like dizzee rascal. What would you call it? So I can be sure I don't offend anyone and use the correct terminology?

Got confused then. I thought you were copying and paying a previous reply to my reply and adding your own at the end!

I genuinely don't mean to cause offence.

Pasting *

no not really I don't I am not sure why you link this way of talking with being black as I hazard a guess that you have not heard anyone over the age of 18 speak like this bar people who think there down with the kids and not very well raised.
Personally my black doctor doesn't speak like "here's you tablets you get me blood "

I never heard any of my husband black nursing staff "talking black" and I certainly nor my 4 sister of there girl friends speak like that.

the only people I ever hard speaking emle not sure I spelt it right is young people white black and Asian under the age of about 18

poster EveesMummy it's youth speak my son attends a school that is mostly Asian and most of the children speak like this as dose the children at my sil children's school in Wimbledon which are mostly white

And I can assure you if any of these children went to the West Indies people there would no what the hell they are saying

Accent and dialect is not about race it's about age and class

I can assure you in any estate in London you will most likely get people of all colours talking in this was

However someone like Chuka Umunna black labour MP speaks very well because he's middle class and won't be like ya get me

This constant linking negative things to being black is what Leads people to skin bleach in the first place self hate

A lot of gay people have this as well

Yes it is youth speak. Generally, when people grow up I imagine they speak differently.

My opinion of it is/was that it's young people in diverse areas. Like London and cities. Being honest, the only people I actually know who speak like that are young people (though all well over 18) who think they are some sort of gangster. They are black, white and Asian. I heard it called 'jafraican' in a newspaper once.

Everyone I know, including black people, call it talking like they're black. Generally all of my friends speak 'properly'

It's called JaFAKEan in my house!

Add message | Report | Message poster Ihatemytoes Mon 24-Mar-14 08:34:00
It's called JaFAKEan in my house!
The irony is of course people like my nan who are actually from the West Indies have no digging clue what my son and his mates are on about

But this new talk is a mixture of Asian and cockney as well again I think in terms of were this is spoken I do think it's about class would say were lower middle class and due to that fact my son would speak like that at school with his mates however he would never talking like that at home and if he did speak to me I correct him

I agree with you OP.

There are pressure on pale skinned people to tan themselves and be at risk of skin cancer because they 'look Ill'. There are pressures on people of colour to lighten up.

However, I do believe in freedom of choice and credit people with having the intelligence to make a decision that best suits them having weighted up the pros and cons.

If we are talking about historical pressures, in this country the working classes and peasantry were identify able by having colour to their skin from working in the sun. The gentry therefore poisoned themselves by using white makeup. Historically things changed and tanning was seen as desirable and (as a white women) I personally find Latino looks to be the most attractive.

Many peoples opinions won't be formed or shaped based on historical injustices. Like me, they just instinctively like done looks more than others. I like having the freedom to make my own choices but my choices have bought me into the firing line for being anti feminist, shallow or supporting oppression. Er no, I'm just free to be me and am intelligent enough to decide for myself thank you.

I will not make a decision to please or appease others but those with very strong views about the choices of others do based on historical reference is to try to oppress through coercion and pressure, rather than outright. The sad thing is that they don't see it like that.

Joys, I've got sickeningly pale skin and I do look ill. They use people of my complexion to portray ill, uncool, dirty and heroin addicts etc in films.

My legs are fluorescent white with a shade of blue to them yet I have dark hair and eyes that used to be dark but are now green, that makes me look even worse.

I literally can do nothing about it. Fake tan, even professionally applied goes streaky. Sunbeds burn me and then I go straight back to pale. I long for the day I don't look as I do. DD is equally pale and I hope she doesn't feel the same way. Her dad has blonde hair and blue eyes so hopefully she'll look natural unlike me.

I've accepted it now but I still wish I wasn't like this.

Fusedog No, not all black girls/women speak street slang.

The number of times I see people of other cultures speak street slang and then look at me for some sort of acknowledgement. Do they expect me to clap for them?

I was raised to speak well and did not understand half of the slang used at school. I am a black woman of nearly 40 in a professional job. Slang has no place in my home.

Some people speak slang well past the age of 18. It is a lifestyle for them.

A lot of white and Asian children speak slang. It is all for the purpose of fitting in at school. The difference is they will probably drop it before going into the workplace. They will still have far more opportunities in life than their black peers as their face fits.

So you believe that if two people go to an interview, one black one white, dressed exactly the same and speak the same, same qualifications etc that the white person will get the job?

well of course we do have anti discrimination polices in place but we are well aware that that are not always followed

For lack of a better phrase, that's utterly shit! I think maybe it will get better as the younger generations come through to be old enough to be employers because I'd say most people of my generation don't care what colour you are. The people I socialise with anyway.

I don't go to the doctors and and not see the black doctor because she knows less. Etc etc.

i think skin lightening creams are awful and I totally do not judge black women who use them, i blame society for perpetuating the white beauty ideal.

not the same issue but generally related to it, my dp has pulled collegues and aquaintances of his up on racist remarks by reminding them that I am mixed and so are his children. that's okay that we are apparently according to them as 'i look 'exotic' and the kids look white so it doesn't count'

wtf?!

Add message | Report | Message poster EveesMummy Mon 24-Mar-14 10:35:59
So you believe that if two people go to an interview, one black one white, dressed exactly the same and speak the same, same qualifications etc that the white person will get the job?
not believe it it's fact there have been studies done with job applications eg sending the same application form but some with ethinc sounding names so names people would believe to be "black names eg Keisha Jackson and Asian names eg perdip Singh and what people would believe to be white names simon jones and guess what well I guess you can work it out

Also as a black woman I was always told not to wear braids to interviews ECt and not to look to ethnic

Please, forgive my ignorance. I thought that was old news and not nowadays.

I'd understand if someone turned up looking like a thug etc but again. That's not colour that's attitude.

No sadly this still happens they carry out these studies every so often just to see

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20608039

Please read this

www.hrreview.co.uk/hr-news/diversity-equality/anonymous-application-forms-proposed-to-stop-discrimination/40788

So sad when blank applications have to be considered

www.hrreview.co.uk/hr-news/diversity-equality/anonymous-application-forms-proposed-to-stop-discrimination/40788

And can I say I am guilt of doing this self I have a name that would be considered ethnic and would mark me out as not white so when going for jobs I shorten my name xx

I'm a dark skinned black Woman. When i was younger I used to be friends with a light skinned black girl who when considering what her children with a dark skinned man would look like said to me, Well if they come out dark like him, I hope they are boys. Its ok for boys to be dark, but not girls. This was a throwaway remark, she wasnt even trying to be nasty. She was the type of person who felt that dark skinned girls were no competition for her, being that she was light skinned. She felt that girls with natural afro hair would be so much prettier with relaxed hair. This is how more black people then I would like to admit think and feel and speak. Its damaging to their daughters, neices, cousins and friends who are dark skinned and who are made to feel inferior because they are dark skinned. This is what is wrong with Skin lightening/whitening. It is enforcing the stereotype that light is right.