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to be angry at the dog groomer who shaved my dog's coat

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bevelino · 02/03/2014 09:01

I took my cockapoo for grooming at Pets At Home in Brentford and discussed the grooming. The groomer checked my dog all over and was happy there was no matting and we agreed how short the fur was to be cut. I was then asked to sign a form. However, when I returned 3 hours later to collect the dog I was angry to discover the groomer had shaved all my dog's hair off and disingenuously suggested she was full of matts. My dog is now barely recognisable.

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MissBetseyTrotwood · 02/03/2014 12:50

Our friend has a 'jackadoodle' - Jack Russell x poodle.

Not my cup of tea at all but a nice dog all the same. Also, clearly bought from puppy farmers. Sad

Annoying to have shaved dog this time of year tho. Dog might need a coat. It's bloody cold here at the mo-not nice for dog to be out with no fur on. Are you in touch with the breeder op? Can they recommend a better groomer?

LackingEnergy · 02/03/2014 12:57

A Cockapoo is a real breed and not a mongrel. Pah where's the breed standard? Why can't you get a pedigree for it? Why is it not represented at Crufts? Its a cross between two 'breeds' of dog. It is more likely to have the problems from both breeds than be problem free.

It is extortionately priced for what it is and the bull about it being good for allergy sufferers? If the pup inherits the poodle coat then yes it is good for allergy sufferers but if it inherits a more spaniel (insert whatever other breed you want to mix with a poodle) coat then it isn't good for allergy sufferers.

Buy a breed from a reputable breeder guaranteed to be good for allergy sufferers instead of one with a 50/50 chance from backyard breeders/ puppy farmers. Esp when they ask for that kind of money.

I say this as a reputable breeder of pedigree registered dogs :-)

Re the grooming my mums groomer will do a close shave if my mum hasn't got all the matts out of her wire coated dogs coat. Thorough de-matting prior to grooming next time and see if you get a better clip or look for a new groomer :-)

HavantGuard · 02/03/2014 13:09

I found ours through someone I met at dog training classes. You could try contacting your local area breed society (think North West rather than Manchester) and ask if they know anyone in your area or look at their list of breeders - some who show their own dogs also groom. I would stay with my dog the first time at a new place (even if it's in another room.)

ScaredToBeHonest · 02/03/2014 13:10

Welsh - we have one of those 'poor creatures' Hmm you refer to - he's a Labradoodle. Obviously because I have such a dog I must be an irresponsible idiot who buys from evil puppy farmers and only got him because he was fashionable dog.

Well no, I got him as a pup because I liked the scruffy dog look and began to look into dog breeds which fit that criteria. I came across Labradoodles and I researched the 2 breeds and what information I could find about doodles. After reading that, I came to the conclusion that he would be the perfect dog for us. And you know what, he is.

I didn't buy from a backstreet puppy farmer. I've got all the paperwork for him and both his parents, he had all the checks done such as hip score etc

And I did contact the dogs home first to see if they had any suitable puppies but they didn't. Round here every pup at the dogs home is a staffie cross and I didn't want one.

Just because I own what you consider to be a designer dog and refer to him by his recognised name doesn't make me moronic. And I can assure you that he is as far from being a poor creature as it is possible to be.

You do know, don't you, that people who have pedigree dogs are actually far more likely to have an incredibly unhealthy dog?

Birdsgottafly · 02/03/2014 13:21

"You do know, don't you, that people who have pedigree dogs are actually far more likely to have an incredibly unhealthy dog?"

Some breeds are developing health problems, because people want the dog to look a certain way and this include Mongrals, including "Cockapoodle, Jacadoodle and Labradoodles", which are bred by irresponsible breeders.

They aren't combined Breeds that we need for working etc.

Some do not mix well and you don't know what you are going to get until they grow a little, that is why them and Staff crosses are filling the shelters and being put down more than old Greyhounds etc.

You are buying a Mongrel from a backstreet breeder or puppy farm. It is just being dressed up as something it isn't, responsible dog breeding and owning.

PansOnFire · 02/03/2014 13:21

Very amusing how so many people get irate over a crossbreed dog being given an actual name! A cockerpoo is a recognised breed, and also a popular dog which many people on here will be able to visualise. Of course there will be fairly big differences between what they look like, but my pedigree dog differs in looks to other pedigrees of the same breed. No 2 dogs look the same.

Back to the issue in hand - OP, I'd have been upset about this too but sometimes once the groomer starts they have to change track because of underlying mats, or even the dog's reaction to the cutting. I wouldn't worry too much but don't take the dog there again! Find a smaller dog groomer business that focus on just that. Have a look at pictures of their work and request to stay whilst they groom your dog. Any reputable business will allow this. I did this the first time I took my dog to our groomer and now I just drop her off. It's a bit like getting your own hair done, check out their previous work and make sure you trust them.

Alisvolatpropiis · 02/03/2014 13:24

Is a cockerpoo a recognised breed in the kennel club sense?

Not that it means an awful lot, short legged jack russell's aren't recognised by the kennel club either.

Everybody knows what they are.

livelablove · 02/03/2014 13:24

I think cross breeding for function and temperament is the way forward for healthier dogs that fit better into our modern society. Pedigree dogs often suffer from health conditions due to over breeding and inbreeding for exaggerated traits. They often need far more exercise than can be easily provided.

Cross breeding is how many of our modern pedigree breeds were created.
But times have changed, we need different characteristics in our family pets than the breeders of 100 years ago, so it makes sense to breed dogs that fit in with our lives. This will benefit the dogs as well because they will be more easily able to fit in to their home and less likely to be given up due to behaviour problems.

Of course breeding should be done by responsible breeders who are experts and truly have their dogs welfare as a top priority, but I think we should get away from the idea that today's pedigree dogs are better than cross breeds and start actively but carefully, breeding new modern dog breeds.

Birdsgottafly · 02/03/2014 13:25

Pan, it isn't that cross breeds are common, it's the appalling record that the UK has for cross breeds being irresponsibly bred and filling the shelters and being put down, after often being giving neglectful lives.

It started because people didn't want to pay full price for breeds and those that had them saw their dog as a money making exercise.

Coumarin · 02/03/2014 13:25

Good ideas Havant thank you. Thanks

Birdsgottafly · 02/03/2014 13:29

The probl is that Jack Russels need a firm hand, Poodlles are stubborn and extremely intelligent. Great if you are an experienced owner.

They became popular as pet's for pensioners, when they both need stimulating exercise and careful socialisation.

The breeds being combined don't always achieve what the buyers actually want, a cute lap dog that is easily handled.

MrsDeVere · 02/03/2014 13:35

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MintyChops · 02/03/2014 13:40

Perhaps we could cross breed some of the bitches on this thread? I'll go and get a load of muzzles, they're going to have a nasty temperament......

By the way OP, YANBU.

Alisvolatpropiis · 02/03/2014 13:48

It does interest me that jack russell's are the dog of choice for x breeding with other small dogs. Very commonly crossed with chihuahua's, presumably to make them a bit more robust? But really jack's are not ideal for creating robust lap dogs, it isn't what they wee bred for, they're not the kind of dogs happy to have a little walk up and down the street.

I have a Jack Russell, she's very small indeed with huge ears that make me suspect that there's chihuahua involved somewhere, can't know for sure as she was born at the local dogs home after the mother was dumped there.

She's a lovely dog, great temperament. But the "oooh cute tiny puppy" stage lasted about two days and then we got training her. They're not the kind of dog who can be indulged and they have to be exercised quite rigorously considering their small size.

bevelino · 02/03/2014 13:57

Some of the posts on here have had dh and 4 dd's in stitches. But thank you to all the helpful ones. We have learnt our lesson.

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ILoveOnionRings · 02/03/2014 13:58

Hi Op, agree it is upsetting when you collect and your dog is not looking how you imagined.

We are on our 3rd groomers now, groomer one lasted a couple of visits, was very nice but very expensive, groomer 2 - recommend, poor DH was horrified when I bought our dog home, cut was nothing I had asked for but she really thought she had done a good job.

Groomer 3 - recommended again, we were in Pets at Home and saw a lady with 2 of the same breed and they looked stunning, we stopped and asked who the groomers were and have stayed with them ever since. It is trial and error, but it does grow back and you can go elsewhere.

MrsDeVere · 02/03/2014 13:58

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MrsBennetsEldest · 02/03/2014 14:01

MrsDeVere hit the nail on the head. A mongrel is a dog of unknown parentage. End of. An X breed is just that, cross breeds.

SnakeyMcBadass · 02/03/2014 14:01

OP, if you look on the Cockapoo Club of Great Britain web page, you'll find lots of pics and advice re different coat types and how to take care of them. There are also step by step videos on how to scissor cut a dense coat. Personally, I treat my 'poo as a poodle, so lots of detangling spray, leave in conditioner and daily brushing.

RedFocus · 02/03/2014 14:06

mrsdevere I've just googled pomchi and they are gorgeous!

Op ignore the bitchy comments, I knew exactly the type of coat your dog has by the breed name.

I groom my cavs myself because it costs a fortune otherwise. I shave one cav because his fur is manic and I clip my other one because he's is easily manageable.
I would expect a groomer to ring me to consult if a problem arose.
Thankfully it'll grow though but I suggest a groomer who has been recommended to you and make sure they consult you.
Gorgeous dog btw Smile

gobbledegook1 · 02/03/2014 14:13

Sorry off on a total tangent first just because things have already been said that are bugging me otherwise I'd have stuck solely to the grooming aspect, but I will get to that.

I cringed at the allergy comment too Lacking. It is so annoying the silly misconceptions these names give. Also as you say, Crossbreeds being healthier is a myth. You are just as likely to have issues from both breeds rather than just one, not to mention that many breeds have the same health issues meaning that if you cross two breeds with these same common issues you are just as likely to double up on the faulty genes as you would be breeding pure if health testing is not carried out stringently yet is often an excuse given by these 'breeders' as to why the dogs aren't tested.

Yes many of today's dogs are made from crossing pure breeds, the difference is, many moons ago breeding practices were very strict and the culling of puppies that didn't conform to remove them from entering the breeding pool was common practice, making type quicker and easier to achieve, these days crating a new breed is almost impossible because this is no longer seen as ethical and is prohibited meaning that everyone jumps on the bandwagon without a care about conformation or without proper knowledge and nothing is achieved.

The labradoodle was actually started out by a man in Australia who's sole purpose was to try and create a dog that had the working ability of the lab with the coat of a poodle to enable blind people with pet allergies to be able to have a guide. He succeeded with a few but many failed to have the desired none shedding coat type. He didn't realise it would be a trend that would catch on and now everyone is doing it and the cause behind it has been lost. He also say's he thoroughly regrets what he started with this type of cross as its popularity has caused a lot of problems and a lot of damage with many of them being completely crazy.

Also a cross is not a mongral as some are stating. A cross-breed is just that a cross between 2 pure breeds. A mongral is a dog of multiple/mixed heritage (just like mine).

Ref the groomer: If the dogs coat is similar to that of its spaniel parent then it is not necessarily unreasonable for the dog to have been shaved, many 'pet' spaniel owners do have their spaniel's coats clipped right back so possibly an easy mistake to make? Did you ask why it was so short?

I don't think you can generalise about PAH either, surely its down to the individual staff in the individual store. Prior to working at a place with its own grooming studio I used pets at home local to me a few times, I found the staff were lovely and the dogs well cared for often being completed in far less time than anticipated. My boy doesn't like being cooped up and would go mad if they put him in a kennel so they used to tie him up behind the desk and give him cuddles instead, unlike Snobby Dogs who almost killed a friends dog leaving it unattended on the table with the neck strap on, the dog jumped of the table to follow and basically hung itself!

(Don's hard hat and runs for cover!)

Samhainslass · 02/03/2014 14:13

I remember taking my full pedigree Lhasa Apso to a grooming parlour once. He had a mid length coat at the time, and was brushed twice daily, no matting. I just wanted to get him bathed and dried - no trimming asked for at all. Usually I bathed him at home, but the central heating was on the blink, it was mid winter and I thought the grooming parlour would be best as they could dry him properly afterwards.

They shaved off his entire coat. As it was the popular style with their other clients and saved owners having to do any brushing. I hit the roof, and it took ages for him to look normal again. Sympathy to you, OP.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 02/03/2014 14:20

Now technically, I thought the definition of a mongrel is an animal with 3 or more different types of dog in its direct heritage. An animal with 2 breeds is a cross.

splasheeny · 02/03/2014 14:23

I also have a cross breed, but she isn't a 'designer' cross. I don't get this fad for paying obscene amounts for crosses. I got mine as she needed a home and is a darling little dog, with absolutely nothing pretentious about her. Crosses are great, so much healthier than pedigrees, but I don't get this need to sell them as something they aren't.

Ghostsdonttalk · 02/03/2014 14:27

You are definitely not being unreasonable. I have a bearded collie and would go ape if he was clipped.