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To be irked by presence of ex wife

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Primadonnagirl · 16/02/2014 18:33

...I think you may probably tell me to get over it but here goes.. DH rarely has anything to do with his ex..not acrimonious it's just as the kids are grown up there is no real reason for contact.However his parents are a different matter..in constant contact .They had a big photo up of her until recEntly . I should say we have been together 15 years. Anyway, this doesn't bother me but the " side effects " do...that is, every time we have a family event she comes too. It's all very civil but I think it's odd and TBH I feel very awkward. It's happening again soon...parents have a big wedding anniversary coming up and she's invited again.I can't do anything about it I know but it just makes me feel so uncomfortable..She's the mother of DHs kids etc.. I get that...but I'm his wife..I just feel "second best"...what do you think?!

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MissFenella · 17/02/2014 21:26

When you are sat around a table with her making polite conversation why not ask her?
' X number of years on why do you accept these invites now that the children have grown?'

I feel MIL and Ex must know you will feel awkward and just couldn't care less. So front ex out about it if it bothers you. If you cannot face asking her straight up then you need to suck it up I think.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 17/02/2014 21:30

X number of years on from what? Confused she never stopped being their friend and the dcs mother! People still only seeing her in relation to the OP and her dh. Why must family events revolve around them?

2rebecca · 17/02/2014 21:37

Someone mentioned whether or not the grandchildren would "object" to their mum not being invited to their gran's family functions and I wonder why they would.
I haven't been to any of my exes extended family functions since we split and he hasn't been to any of mine. If he's visiting his relatives with the kids his partner goes with him. My husband goes to my relatives. My kids would find it odd if we pitched up at each other's relatives. Obviously when the kids get married etc we'll both be there along with our extended families, but that's because the event will revolve around the kids who we are both related to, not each other's families who we aren't. I no longer think of my ex's nieces and nephews as my nieces and nephews, where as I'm called auntie by my husband's nieces and nephews and his ex isn't.
I think it's fine for people to choose to go to their ex's family events if everyone is happy with the situation but I find it odd that some people think that the member of the family who used to be married to that person and now isn't shouldn't be consulted about it and asked first. Why would you want to make a member of your family feel awkward unless you disliked them?
In this case it sounds as though the husband hasn't actually objected, but he can't enjoy visiting his parents if his wife is tense if his ex is there.
I wouldn't do that to my son or daughter, no matter how lovely I may think their ex is if they separated and asked me not to invite them round whilst they were there I wouldn't invite them.

VegetariansTasteLikeChicken · 17/02/2014 21:43

When you are sat around a table with her making polite conversation why not ask her?' X number of years on why do you accept these invites now that the children have grown?'

yes, make the Ex feel bad about hanging out with people she actually likes Hmm The Ex is the one who should feel awkward, not the OP and yet the ex has been grown up enough..so maybe she assumes the OP is as well?. If the ex can be Ok with it, the OP needs to get over herself.

It sounds like the OP isn't too keen on the PIL, sounds like the ex is.. Why shouldn't she continue to hang out with people who she sees as family for 25 years plus?

LoonvanBoon · 17/02/2014 21:55

She's a Family friend to his wider Family, no more than that. One who it is inappropriate to invite to Family bashes.

It's just bizarre that some posters think they can prescribe what role a person should play in someone else's family.

It's up to the husband's wider family what role his ex wife plays, what she means to them, what their feelings are for her, because they have relationships with her that are independent of her relationship with her ex.

How dare anyone else say "she's a family friend...no more than that". How the fuck do they know? As for claiming that it's "inappropriate" for her to be invited to their parties - so the PIL don't get to choose who they want to celebrate their upcoming wedding anniversary with, then? How one earth is that reasonable?

People are still only seeing her in relation to the OP and her dh. Why must family events revolve around them?

Yes, I agree this is the whole problem - & I just don't get why this is so hard to grasp.

The OP doesn't have to like it; she doesn't have to pretend they're one big, happy blended family (beyond common courtesy, which is no big ask towards the mother of your husband's children). She just has to accept that her feelings towards the ex do not determine her role in other people's lives. That's all.

Primadonnagirl · 17/02/2014 21:58

Well, I'm on the defensive here but I don't see how you can say the ex is grown up and I'm not...if the ex is Ok with it I should be??! That just doesn't make sense. She is perfectly entitled to feel comfortable..I'm saying I don't.Why do you assume she is all sweetness and my pils are lovely and all embracing? The truth is she is perfectly polite towards me as I am towards her but like I said it's in a forced formal way.I think we are equally uncomfortable.

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Primadonnagirl · 17/02/2014 22:00

And MIL isn't lovely and welcoming. To me.

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YoureBeingASillyBilly · 17/02/2014 22:11

To be fair OP lots of family relations are forced politeness out of nothing other than politeness. Surely you are forcing politeness with some of the other members of the family (i know there are some in mine that i just dont bother with outside of family events so dont know what to talk about with them) that you dont see that often or know very well? Do you expect them to decline invitations because you find you have to force conversation with them?

2rebecca · 17/02/2014 22:18

I love visitng my extended family and don't feel any forced politeness when there. My inlaws are fine too, I'm not as comfortable with them, but I haven't grown up with them. They have always been very welcoming to me though, and never made me feel second best wife.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 17/02/2014 22:20

I have a huge family (possibly because we seem to hang on to all the first spouses Grin) and there are a lot that i dont see from one xmas to the next and if i happen to be sat beside them on the sofa would have a bit of trouble thinking of what i know about them to ask.

MissFenella · 17/02/2014 22:25

Yes the ex should feel awkward, she is the ex. Why would anyone want to hang around their ex in laws? Madness!

Be friendly, share a cup of tea, make a call now and again but repeatedly turn up to family events like Banquo's ghost? Nah.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 17/02/2014 22:30

She's not repeatedly turning up. She is being invited! By people who want her there because they have a relationship with her. Why is that so hard to understand? Some people can work out how to be adult enough not to suddenly hate a person just because someone else they love doesnt want to live with them anymore.

MissFenella · 17/02/2014 22:42

Invited not compelled to go.

I don't agree with the view that the former wife's happiness/desire to hang around her ex's family trumps the feelings of the OP? The OP is the daughter in law after all.

MissFenella · 17/02/2014 22:44

And being adult is also about recognising when it is your time to bow out gracefully rather than keep giving it 'I was here first'.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 17/02/2014 22:55

Umm- do you know this woman? What makes you think she is giving it "i was here first"? Confused

OP is also not compelled to go. And as has been said that you are ignoring- she hasnt been divorced from her children or their grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousins/her friends

LoonvanBoon · 17/02/2014 23:41

MissFenella, do you think all women are entirely defined by their relationship(s) to their husbands / partners, or is it just ex-wives? Pretty offensive, either way.

Your posts seem almost wilfully obtuse. The ex-wife has bowed out of her marriage, but there is no reason for her to bow out of her relationship with her children's grandparents.

The husband's relatives don't all belong to him, they're not part of his baggage. They are independent people with the right to form their own relationships: & in this case the husband's parents seem to have their own, independent relationship - which they clearly value - with their son's ex-wife / grandchildren's mum.

This isn't a case of whether the ex wife's feelings trump those of the current wife. It's a question of whether the current wife's feelings should be allowed to override the feelings, choices & values of her husband's family.

The idea that the the ex wife in this case "should feel awkward" is pathetic. Why should she feel awkward? Is she no longer of any value just because she's not this man's wife anymore? You have no idea of the depth of relationship she might have with her former in-laws.

And the idea that she has an "I was here first" attitude is pure conjecture on your part & sounds incredibly childish.

I acknowledge that OP's MIL may well not be all that nice, & may not be welcoming to her. If she'd posted about how her MIL was undermining her by comparing her unfavourably to her husband's ex, I'd have been the first to say she wasn't being unreasonable.

But the thread was about being irked by the PRESENCE of the ex. At events she has been invited to by people who have their own relationships with her & who value those relationships.

Nobody has the right to demand that people should write other people out of their lives / shared history / family just because they find their presence irksome.

ComposHat · 17/02/2014 23:59

I wonder if the genders were reversed. Daughter with second husband, first husband still close to former in laws, whether there would be this level of angst and possessiveness. This isn't a rhetorical question, I really don't know.

2rebecca · 18/02/2014 00:00

They don't, but if my son asked me not to invite his ex along to an event because he and his wife feel more relaxed when she isn't there and I refuse he might rightly conclude that I was prioritising my relationship with his ex over my relationship with him.
It is sad that sons' feelings are considered so unimportant by many mothers.
Why not just see the exwife at the umpteen other times when your son isn't there?
Also why aren't these women moving on with their lives? I can't imagine that clinging on to a family you were once part of but now aren't is good for your self esteem.
Exhusbands don't go in for this sort of behaviour, it does sound as though women have more difficulty letting go and moving on.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 18/02/2014 00:15

They still are part of the family though. Thats the whole point that you are willfully ignoring.

spindoctorofaethelred · 18/02/2014 00:42

MIL and FIL are divorced. FIL's mother has always said to MIL, 'we didn't divorce, did we?'

I think that if FIL attempted to exclude MIL now, for his partner's sake, his mother and his adult children would be Cross with a capital C.

cardibach · 18/02/2014 07:46

Sorry for the big pause, only just caught up with this. Those of you saying how lovely for me that we all get on - really? You think that just happened? My ex is married to the OW. A bomb went off in all our relationships. What mature adults do is work through that so everyone can coexist in peace if not harmony.

Animation · 18/02/2014 08:09

It does feel very uncomfortable. I suppose you have to put up with the discomfort is all I can think in this situation.

I don't personally think I would be able to hook up with a man with an ex wife and children for that very reason. I know I wouldn't be very good at fitting in that kind of situation.

Some women can do it with ease I know.

Bonsoir · 18/02/2014 08:18

My DP has an exW and his DF has a vague relationship with her because she is the mother of two of his GC. In our case the relationship is weak because the DSSs don't live with their mother anymore and are most unlikely ever to do so again. It would be odd for GPs to blank the mother of their GC.

Peacesword · 18/02/2014 09:01

I get you Primadonnagirl. I'm in exactly the same position. Dp's xw is an integral part of his family, they were married for years and she is like a daughter to dp's mum.

I don't have an issue with that whatsoever, and from the start of our relationship knew she was always going to be around at family stuff. I actually found it a real shame, when we eventually met, that she clearly had an issue with me being around (and she has had 2 or 3 partners since they split by mutual agreement) - and she's been incredibly rude to me. That's her stuff to deal with though, I'm not going to avoid anything because of one rude person, no matter who she is.

I think the issue for you though isn't the ex, it's your MIL. She is saying insensitive things, and it's that that is making you feel uncomfortable and "second best", not the xw's presence - and that's not on. I wonder if some of the x's discomfort is because she knows what her MIL feels?

Is your MIL generally insensitive?

LizLemonaid · 18/02/2014 11:00

I think the only way to change things is to decline invites yourself from now on. That may be a catalyst forchange but maybe they will all think "phew we can relax now".

Somebody else said why do u care if your mil prefers her? My xmil hated me! No higher accolade.