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To be irked by presence of ex wife

211 replies

Primadonnagirl · 16/02/2014 18:33

...I think you may probably tell me to get over it but here goes.. DH rarely has anything to do with his ex..not acrimonious it's just as the kids are grown up there is no real reason for contact.However his parents are a different matter..in constant contact .They had a big photo up of her until recEntly . I should say we have been together 15 years. Anyway, this doesn't bother me but the " side effects " do...that is, every time we have a family event she comes too. It's all very civil but I think it's odd and TBH I feel very awkward. It's happening again soon...parents have a big wedding anniversary coming up and she's invited again.I can't do anything about it I know but it just makes me feel so uncomfortable..She's the mother of DHs kids etc.. I get that...but I'm his wife..I just feel "second best"...what do you think?!

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sunbathe · 17/02/2014 01:14

YANBU. In your shoes, dh and I would be making excuses for the big family celebration.

Taking dh's parents out separately for a lovely dinner, would be the way forward for me.

I see it as a lack of respect on his parents' part and a lack of politeness on the ex's part.

missingmumxox · 17/02/2014 01:22

Gosh ! I know this is aibur but still, I get the op, but... My grandparents always since the first divorce in the 80's of one of their children invited the other half as it was a "family get together" they expected the divorced couples to get on with it for the children or not turn up, for the record I know my grandad disliked one of the ex's with a passion ( for the record they had 6 children spanning 23 years, gran and grandad that is)
They even hosted a 21 st an cared for the entire extended American family of my cousin of disliked ex along with all of us.
Disliked ex was, at my granddads funeral a few weeks ago, I like him he has always been a great dad and uncle, real life and soul of the party, sometimes and I get this but if someone has been in your family for years whatever happens they are part of your family and it doesn't just affect the children.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 17/02/2014 01:22

"I see it as a lack of respect on his parents' part and a lack of politeness on the ex's part."

See that sort of implies that you think the family should revolve around you/dh. Doesnt it occur to you that the family have formed their own relationships with her completely separate from her being the DC's mother and DHs ex? They may have become as close as parent/daughter over the years and his siblings feel like she is their sibling or a very good friend. Would you feel it was disrespectful or impolite if she was a best friend of theirs that you didnt like?

sunbathe · 17/02/2014 01:30

If I were in the ex-wife's position, I would not attend the big family dos. Just see the ex-pils on other occasions. It just seems rude on her part not to step back. Confused

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 17/02/2014 01:34

Even if these people were your best friends and like sisters/brother to you? (Like my aunt who isnt my aunt but is)

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 17/02/2014 01:35

I just couldnt imagine aunt X not being at our family do's and i know my blood aunts would be Angry at the thought she stayed away because of something their brother or his wife had said.

HadABadDay2014 · 17/02/2014 01:52

I adore my PIL, me and DH have been together 10 years. I go out with MIL and I see her even without DH and DC.

I would hate to lose her as a friend because of a failed marriage and would think mil had been very false the entire time of my relationship with her son.

deXavia · 17/02/2014 01:57

Are you my StepMum? This is exactly the set up we have. My Mum is still seen as part of my Dad's family some 35 years since they divorced, she is always invited to family get togethers - even now my Nana has died. I do accept my StepMother has probably not liked it, or felt awkward - possibly even my Dad in a sort of silent, lets not make a fuss way. But my Grandparents, Aunts/Uncles and Cousins would have thought it odd not to invite her - whether we were kids or grown up.

Its how our family works - and I accept that's not for everyone but the precedent was set early on and just never changed. For the record my mum attends as she is genuinely close to the family but doesn't make a show of being there, its just not her style.

So to be honest I think your biggest problem is the time to have dealt with this has past - it would be odd that 10 years on you "suddenly" seem to have a problem with it. If you'd done or said something earlier - people may have been annoyed by it but possibly would have addressed it earlier. Now I think they would just be bemused or it would suddenly become this BIG issue which then makes it all a hundred times more awkward.

innisglas · 17/02/2014 03:19

How annoying! I am in that position with my ex's parents, my daughter is the grandchild of his parents and I have always got on really well with them and consider myself a personal friend of her grandmother.
Unfortunately his succession of wives think as you do, which put my daughter in the position of spending Christmas with them when I am not invited in order to please them. Everytime my ex splits up with his wife of that moment I am again invited to the family occasions.
I honestly don't know what is going through the brains of these women, they knew he had been married before and had children when they got married. They know that we have been separated for umpteen years and that if we had wanted to get back together we had all the opportunity in the world. But no, they tell his mother who she can be friends with and invite to her house.

TamerB · 17/02/2014 06:56

If people genuinely love their ILs, which lots do, you don't just switch it off and sever contact because the couple have split. I can't see that it makes any difference- otherwise the message is 'we didn't really like you, and you weren't really a member the family- you were just someone we had to put up with'.

Primadonnagirl · 17/02/2014 07:52

Good mix of different points of view here. I agree with those of you who are saying I've probably left it too late to say anything...I think so too. And I wish I was big hearted enough not to mind but I do. But some posters seem to think I'm saying the ILs shouldn't be in touch with her which I'm not at all. I'm just saying relationships change over time and I do think it's part of divorce to accept that family dynamics change and that to have two " wives" together is likely to be awkward. I'm not her enemy..we can make reasonable conversation but I would be lying if I said I was comfortable about it.

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TamerB · 17/02/2014 08:13

I agree that although it is normal to stay friendly, two 'wives' together is best to be avoided. Generally the ex sees this and changes the dynamics. A bit late in your case, unfortunately.

diaimchlo · 17/02/2014 08:44

I do have to accept I'm stuck with it Imkniw but I dont have to like it...mind you, wait till the DCs get married and that will be a whole other dilemma !!!

I was wondering when this point was going to be raised. IMHO YABU you have been with him 15 years, his exW has maintained a relationship with your DH's family for that time and at no time in your posts have you insinuated that she has made a move on your DH or treated you with any disrespect. You obviously were aware of the situation and all his baggage when you met and married your DH, I do not understand why it is bothering you so far down the line.

I really feel for your DSSs when the family events are centered around them.

Greenmug · 17/02/2014 08:53

I think it's unfair of your MIL to say to you that they should have stayed together, that really is insensitive.

From how I read your posts it sounds to me that you don't for a minute think they your IL's should not have contact with this woman, just that having her at family occasions makes you feel uncomfortable? It's good that they still have a good relationship and of course you know that there's nothing you can do about this now, but I do kind of understand that it's probably not easy for you. But as lots of others said, it doesn't really matter and I suspect that your DH's ex has no idea how you feel so just go and enjoy yourself. You have nothing to feel uncomfortable about.

Pooka · 17/02/2014 08:57

My step mother is lovely. She has been my stepmother since I was 14.

My mother maintained very friendly relationship with my granny and with my aunts. She had been DIL for 20 years when my parents separated and was and is the mother of the grandchildren (including me) and nieces/nephews.

As a consequence she was often invited to family "dos" at my grandmother's house (I.e. Aunt's 60th, grandmother's 80th). And has also come to my father's 60th and 70th parties at his and step mother's house. My mother and step mother actually click quite well. They have lots to talk about- books and films for example, without ever talking about my dad/relationships and so on.

She came to my grandmother's funeral - and it was lovely that she was there. There were so many people there that she had known when she was married to my father - the friends of my younger aunts and so on.

My step mother is absolutely not second best. I can see that my mum is sometimes greeted as an old and rarely seen friend, and I can appreciate that that could make my stepmother feel sidelined. But it doesn't, because she is confident and clearly married to my father, and my dad and mum only really talk about us and the grandchildren. They don't click as well as my mum and stepmother do!

I know the separation was horrible for my mother (dad had an affair, not with step mother) partly because of the loss of my father's family (she actually was terribly fond of my grandmother - more so really than her own). So it is lovely that it has panned out that she still participates in some family events, is in regular contact with my aunts, gets on with my stepmother, and stepmother isn't threatened by this at all. I don't think it would have panned out like this if dad had stayed with the OW, however. I don't think that would ever have been comfortable for either of them.

Pooka · 17/02/2014 09:03

I should point out that my mother wouldn't have expected To be invited to these things (barring my dgm's funeral). And actually I think I find it a bit more awkward that my sm does (it's was strange at first to have them all in the same room :) ). But now I'm older and have children of my own I appreciate the 'adult' way things have been dealt with and the sense that there is no animosity between my stepmother and mother and the family as a whole (however badly my father behaved 30 years ago). It makes it easier for me to know that my mother and stepmother can get on and I don't have to compartmentalise.

sparechange · 17/02/2014 09:32

YANBU, it is very odd.

Just out of interest, what capacity is she introduced as at family events? A friend, or the ex-DIL?

Is MIL religious, and sees her as the 'legitimate' wife?

eddielizzard · 17/02/2014 09:35

i wouldn't be happy about this. i wonder if there is some subtle way to go about this, but probably not!

BruthasTortoise · 17/02/2014 10:01

I can't imagine that my parents would invite my ex or any of my siblings exs to family events unless we had specifically requested it. They just wouldn't do anything on purpose to make our lives any more complicated and there would be no necessity for the ex's to be invited to family events. My folks would have respect for our feelings, something with your PILs sadly seem to be lacking.

2rebecca · 17/02/2014 10:07

It seems a very female problem. Lots of women who get divorced still seem to want to visit their inlaws and be invited to their ex's family events. Do many men do the same? I suspect men move on more and maybe stick to their own family events and spending time with their friends and aren't that bothered about going to their ex's family gatherings..
I remember there was a thread about a woman's ex who was always pitching up at her parents when she was invited round and people thought it was odd. Maybe daughters are more vocal in telling their parents they aren't coming if their ex is going to be there as it makes them feel awkward as women don't do the "anything for a quiet life" act as much.
It sounds as though it's mainly a problem when the ex hasn't got a new partner and is maybe short of company and misses the extended family stuff.
I didn't expect to be invited to my ex's family dos once we separated. We didn't live that near though, maybe this is more of a situation for SAHMs with inlaws round the corner who spent alot of time with their exinlaws in the past.

LoonvanBoon · 17/02/2014 10:30

I understand why you don't like the situation, but I do think you're being unreasonable to want your PIL to exclude the mother of their grandchildren from family events.

You said that you don't object to them being in touch with her, but feel that they haven't acknowledged the change in family dynamics; & you feel it's awkward for there to be "two wives" present.

I think this is the problem - that you're seeing her primarily in relation to you - the wife who came before you - & then in relation to your husband, as his ex-wife who is now no longer part of the family.

But I don't think relationships within the wider extended family are as simple as that. While she was married to your DH she presumably developed her own, independent relationships with her ILs. It sounds like they got on well & cared for each other. She probably encouraged & facilitated her children's relationships with their GP - a role still often left to the mum / wife - & that has forged a very strong bond.

So she's not at these events as the ex-wife, she's there as the mum of your PILs GC & as someone they probably love, quite independently of her relationship with their son. Her presence isn't a reflection on you, but it does reflect the fact that the relationship between you & your DH is not the sole determinant of the extended family dynamics. Why would you expect it to be?

VegetariansTasteLikeChicken · 17/02/2014 11:00

It seems a very female problem. Lots of women who get divorced still seem to want to visit their inlaws and be invited to their ex's family events. Do many men do the same? I suspect men move on more and maybe stick to their own family events and spending time with their friends and aren't that bothered about going to their ex's family gatherings..

Maybe it i more of a female problem, but dealing with the inlaws is often left to the wife.

I've seen umpteen threads where women are trying to find their MIL a gift because "dh won;t bother" or trying to get their PIL involved more with kids etc. More of an emotional effort is often made by the woman I think. Also we are told frequently we should treat these people as family (I've frequently seen posters berated for allowing their mother at the birth but not their MIL!) so are they family or are they not?

2rebecca · 17/02/2014 11:06

I insist my husband sorts out cards and presents for his side of the family, he also tends to phone his side of the family about stuff. I've always worked though and have more than enough to do with my time without visiting ex-inlaws. My ex-husband is quite capable of ensuring our kids see his relatives, I see no need for me to be involved with this. I've always chosen independent men though. My inlaws are not the same as my family. They are my husband's family. If we divorce then I'd send them xmas cards but I wouldn't be always popping in and I'd probably feel awkward going to any of their extended family events.

BruthasTortoise · 17/02/2014 11:15

Vegetarians I think posters are berated for not treating their inlaws as their husbands family. And I've never seen a thread on MN where the poster has even flamed for not allowing the MIL to be at the actual birth, there have been a few where the poster has requested their hisbnad's family don't visit for weeks or months while their own family is welcome from the hospital on. Even in those cases there's much support for the woman getting the final say as it's her choice who visits and nothing to do with her DH.

VegetariansTasteLikeChicken · 17/02/2014 11:18

That's all very sensible (and I do the same), but I suspect if you did a straw poll on MN it would also be unusual.

According to much of MN wisdom many men are incapable of buying their own socks. Hmm

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