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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or is DSC's mum?

136 replies

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 16:36

Name changed as the details make me identifiable in real life. Sorry it's so long but I feel the context is important as it explains why a lot of the usual solutions couldn't apply to us.

DH has four DCs who we used to have every week from 6pm Thursday through till 2pm Sunday. Last year the access changed slightly so that once a month the DCs are only with us from 6pm Thursday till 8pm Friday so that they get to spend some quality weekend time with their mum (they are still with us for all the other weekends) - this change was tentatively put forward by DH then reluctantly accepted by DC's mum a few months later. The kids on the other hand were very pleased with the new set-up.

DH and I are finding it a strain on our relationship only having two weekend days per month together. Although the kids ages range between 10-16, the two eldest are on the autistic spectrum (they attend special schools) therefore not only are they not in the usual position of being able to pull their weight with household chores such as sorting their own washing or lunches etc, they're not out and about like most other kids their age. They have a specialist babysitter who they're only comfortable with as they've know her for years, their mum often utilises her during the week but as the babysitter quite rightly has weekends off we can't use her during our time for anything but very special occasions. Come Sunday afternoon DH and I are too peopled out and knackered to do anything much together. I appreciate we get to spend Mon-Wed evenings together but we're both tired after work, have all the kids washing and food shopping to catch up on, and let's face it if weekday evenings were sufficient downtime in themselves then weekends wouldn't need to exist for anybody.

The DCs don't enjoy having the transition between houses falling in the middle of the Sunday either as they don't get to enjoy either a lazy day in their PJs nor enough time to have a proper day out with us - breakfast and lunch are crammed in close together and the DCs are rushing about getting their stuff ready to go back to mum's.

Bearing all this in mind DH has proposed to DC's mum that we still have the kids every week from Thu-Fri, but that she increases her Saturdays & Sundays with the DCs from one weekend per month to every other weekend. In return, on the weekends that the DC are with us we will now keep them from Thursday night through till the Monday morning so the number of nights we have them is actually unchanged. The DCs benefit by getting to enjoy proper leisure time with their mum as well as their dad, and Sundays will no longer be dominated by the handover.

When DH asked DC's mum if they could have a meeting as he wanted to discuss changing the access arrangements the first thing she said was "I can't do that" even before knowing what the proposal was. She then said that if he wanted to have the kids less then she would stop contact altogether, then put the phone down on him. She then texted to say we were selfish and had no right to dictate to her. She hasn't once explained why she thinks it would be bad for the kids.

DC's mum works full time and is in receipt of all of the child benefits plus full maintenance from DH with no reductions for the time he has them, because for the first year post-separation they had a "nesting" access arrangement - DH did not reduce this when he moved out. In addition to this DH pays for half the cost for uniforms, school trips etc although she could comfortably afford them without his additional contribution. I have only brought up the finances as relevant in order to be clear that we are not proposing any changes in order to reduce maintenance as ExP is already at full whack so to speak and knows she would remain so.

I can already hear the cries of "but what would you do if something happened to his ExP and you had the DCs full time?" Well for a start we would receive all of the child-related benefits (and due to DLA they are substantial in this case). We would be significantly better off and could afford to move to a bigger house so that we wouldn't all feel so on top of each other, especially as none of the kids even pop to the sweetshop let alone socialise. We would also get to use the babysitter and get our breathing space that way. DC's mum has a huge 6 bedroom house, the kids are at school for the majority of the days she has them, plus she uses the babysitter every week, so she gets a lot more personal space than we do. I am not resentful of that fact in itself, but I am resentful that it upsets DH when she still complains that she is hard done by and that he doesn't pull his weight, and ignores the fact that even with the proposed changes he is still having the DC more than most non-resident parents (incidentally DH would be happy to have 50/50 care with the benefits split equally but DC's mum doesn't want that).

AIBU to think its not normal for a mother to be fighting so hard in order not to spend more weekend time with her children? Or is she right in that DH and I are being unspeakably selfish?

OP posts:
CrewElla · 12/02/2014 20:00

You are not being unreasonable at all. From what you've written you are being very accommodating and fair.

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 20:03

But their Mum has the bigger house and the specialist babysitter, but she, of course, still requires breathing space.

The more you say, the more this sounds like it isn't about time with the children, or even time for you and your DH together, but a resentment of the childrens Mums big house and finances.

Despite the big house and money [she works FT so not as though she is getting rich for 'nothing'] I don't think she has it cushy or that she is getting the better 'deal'

She only has them days she works and they are at school

I know my children have to be got up and ready for school in the morning and looked after after school up to bedtime, including dinner/homework/etc. The same would apply to these 4 children, two of which have SNs which adds to the work.

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 20:03

Thanks everyone for your opinions. I am going to bow out of this thread now as I'm having to repeat myself and to the yes IABU unreasonable brigade, no one has yet answered my point as to why the mother shouldn't see her kids more at weekends although they want her to.

Maybe I should do a reverse AIBU....

"I left DH as I was having an emotional affair with my now-DP. Although I have my DCs two thirds of the time, most of that falls on schooldays so for the majority of each month we're only actually together for four hours a day. On top of that I spend one weekend a month with them.

My kids would love to spend more weekends with me but if I do that I can't see my DP because she doesn't get on with the DC and refuses to come to my house when they're here. AIBU to tell my kids that I don't want them for more than one weekend a month?"

OP posts:
AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 20:04

She only has them days she works and they are at school

She also has them for the whole weekend 1 weekend in 4.

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 20:05

Sorry Amber, just need to answer this I know my children have to be got up and ready for school in the morning and looked after after school up to bedtime, including dinner/homework/etc. The same would apply to these 4 children, two of which have SNs which adds to the work. surely his is all the more reason for their um to want to spend some quality leisure time with her DCs? Or do her needs come before that of the children?

OP posts:
AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 20:06

no one has yet answered my point as to why the mother shouldn't see her kids more at weekends

TBF there are a few questions you have chosen to skip too.

rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 20:07

she also has them every Sunday from 2pm.

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 20:09

surely this is all the more reason for their mum to want to spend some quality leisure time with her DCs

Maybe she is too knackered by all of that to do the disney weekend thing?

Or do her needs come before that of the children

Why does that question only apply to her and not your DH?

KingRollo · 12/02/2014 20:10

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RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 20:12

And by the way if the mum is so exhausted and hard done by why has she not considered our proposal for us to have the kids 50/50 when - and this is crucial - the kids would be happy with that?

OP posts:
AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 20:12

no one has yet answered my point as to why the mother shouldn't see her kids more at weekends

So you/your DH do the bulk of the weekends, you want her to do more weekend time with the children, but she would still be doing the bulk of the weekday parenting?

How is that a fair division?

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 20:13

I don't understand how you can want 50/50, yet have in the last year reduced your contact time because you were finding it difficult?

mummywithsmiles · 12/02/2014 20:13

Wow does anyone want these kids ? Guess what if had stayed with his ex he wouldn't ever have a free weekend either..surely that's being a parent

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 20:14

Amber "Or do her needs come before that of the children" Why does that question only apply to her and not your DH?

It does apply to my DH. The kids want more weekend time with ther mum, he agrees.

OP posts:
RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 20:16

Add message | Report | Message poster AmberLeaf Wed 12-Feb-14 20:12:19 no one has yet answered my point as to why the mother shouldn't see her kids more at weekends

So you/your DH do the bulk of the weekends, you want her to do more weekend time with the children, but she would still be doing the bulk of the weekday parenting?

How is that a fair division?

For the love of god Amber have you totally missed the part where on our weekends we would now keep the kids till the Monday??

OP posts:
MeepMeepVrooooom · 12/02/2014 20:20

And just to repeat, we would be happy to go to 50/50 access if the finances were treated it he same way.

This does tend to bother me with threads like these. I am a lone parent with zero maintenance from ex, he doesn't see DD either. If I was in a position that I only had my child weekends I would pay my last penny to have her more. It's that simple to me. I would scrimp and save and go without in order to have my child with me.

In principle we'd even be happy for them to live full time with us (for the reasons given in my OP) but obviously this far down the line it wouldn't be in the kids best interests.

Don't think this would ever have been in their best interest if you a crumbling under only having 2 weekend days to yourself. I very rarely get one night to myself over 6 months never mind one month. But this is the difference, I chose to have my child and in doing that I chose to live my life around what is best for my daughter. My needs are secondary because she comes first. Your partner chose to have his children, you got together knowing the arrangements between him and his ex so why now because it doesn't suit you do you expect them to change?

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 20:21

Right, I am definitely bowing out now Grin

Thanks to all who have agreed IANBU. Even with all the negatives towards me it's a much better result than the kids' mum's confident assertion that absolutely no one would see our point of view.

Cheers all.

OP posts:
Backinthering · 12/02/2014 20:22

Thank god I'm not a stepmother. Some people are utterly irrational on the subject. OP, you sound entirely reasonable.

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 20:22

It does apply to my DH. The kids want more weekend time with ther mum, he agrees

So it's about what the kids want?

Not what you said in your OP;

DH and I are finding it a strain on our relationship only having two weekend days per month together

Come Sunday afternoon DH and I are too peopled out and knackered to do anything much together

The DCs don't enjoy having the transition between houses falling in the middle of the Sunday either as they don't get to enjoy either a lazy day in their PJs nor enough time to have a proper day out with us - breakfast and lunch are crammed in close together and the DCs are rushing about getting their stuff ready to go back to mum's

The above sounds like its about what you and your DH want and everyones convenience.

For the love of god Amber have you totally missed the part where on our weekends we would now keep the kids till the Monday

Yes I saw that part. It would apply to two weeks out of four yes? and would involve doing the school run etc, but not monday after school.

MatryoshkaDoll · 12/02/2014 20:23

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MeepMeepVrooooom · 12/02/2014 20:24

For the love of god Amber have you totally missed the part where on our weekends we would now keep the kids till the Monday??

Maybe she doesn't want them being away until Monday? It all seems very much on what would suit you and your partner with little regard to what suits his ex. You have changed the arrangements already and yet your still not happy. Hmm What will it be next year?

rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 20:24

so it is about what's best for the children rather than couple time.
she is being unreasonable to be closed to communication. uabu to expect kid free weekends when you married someone with kids.
ex has them every Sunday from 2pm. plenty of time for quality time

wannabestressfree · 12/02/2014 20:25

Rouge I have to say you are definitely NOT being unreasonable. I would put two proposals in writing and ask her to pick one
Either 50/50 care and reduction in maintenance or the proposal you where going to ask her about.
Don't worry about the 'red herring' of shouldn't she want more time. I think that about my ex. It's clear he doesn't and there is no point in me getting my knickers in a twist about it. I would address the money and keep the access the same.
And as for the 'that's what parenting is all about' that's rubbish. You are entitled to some fairness. The ex wife is being hard work.....
And I am not a Stepmum
But I have three sons and an ex. One son with ASD.
It's hardwork

MaryWestmacott · 12/02/2014 20:31

Meep - I think that's a little unfair, because most separated couples arent dealing with children with complex SEN. If the OP's DSC have additional needs that require additional funding, I can see why they'd be reluctant to have them for more time unless they also have a share of the resources to make that pleasant for all the people involved.

OP - you haven't answered by you think your DH's ExW is serious when she says she'll stop all contact rather than agree to changing the access arrangements. The whole problem seems to stem from you accepting you can't insist on changing contact because if you do she'll carry out her threat to stop all contact. But that's clearly not something she wants, if she doesn't want 2 extra days with her DCs, she's not going to be happy with every day being her responsbility. You do actually have the upper hand in negotiating here, she needs you to take the DCs for some weekend times because she needs her DCs to be elsewhere so she can continue her relationship.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 12/02/2014 20:34

Havent read all thread (please dont shoot me!) but if you have dcs thurs - sun then couldnt you have the babysitter on thurs and fri evenings to allow you and dh some time out/alone?

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