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AIBU?

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Or is DSC's mum?

136 replies

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 16:36

Name changed as the details make me identifiable in real life. Sorry it's so long but I feel the context is important as it explains why a lot of the usual solutions couldn't apply to us.

DH has four DCs who we used to have every week from 6pm Thursday through till 2pm Sunday. Last year the access changed slightly so that once a month the DCs are only with us from 6pm Thursday till 8pm Friday so that they get to spend some quality weekend time with their mum (they are still with us for all the other weekends) - this change was tentatively put forward by DH then reluctantly accepted by DC's mum a few months later. The kids on the other hand were very pleased with the new set-up.

DH and I are finding it a strain on our relationship only having two weekend days per month together. Although the kids ages range between 10-16, the two eldest are on the autistic spectrum (they attend special schools) therefore not only are they not in the usual position of being able to pull their weight with household chores such as sorting their own washing or lunches etc, they're not out and about like most other kids their age. They have a specialist babysitter who they're only comfortable with as they've know her for years, their mum often utilises her during the week but as the babysitter quite rightly has weekends off we can't use her during our time for anything but very special occasions. Come Sunday afternoon DH and I are too peopled out and knackered to do anything much together. I appreciate we get to spend Mon-Wed evenings together but we're both tired after work, have all the kids washing and food shopping to catch up on, and let's face it if weekday evenings were sufficient downtime in themselves then weekends wouldn't need to exist for anybody.

The DCs don't enjoy having the transition between houses falling in the middle of the Sunday either as they don't get to enjoy either a lazy day in their PJs nor enough time to have a proper day out with us - breakfast and lunch are crammed in close together and the DCs are rushing about getting their stuff ready to go back to mum's.

Bearing all this in mind DH has proposed to DC's mum that we still have the kids every week from Thu-Fri, but that she increases her Saturdays & Sundays with the DCs from one weekend per month to every other weekend. In return, on the weekends that the DC are with us we will now keep them from Thursday night through till the Monday morning so the number of nights we have them is actually unchanged. The DCs benefit by getting to enjoy proper leisure time with their mum as well as their dad, and Sundays will no longer be dominated by the handover.

When DH asked DC's mum if they could have a meeting as he wanted to discuss changing the access arrangements the first thing she said was "I can't do that" even before knowing what the proposal was. She then said that if he wanted to have the kids less then she would stop contact altogether, then put the phone down on him. She then texted to say we were selfish and had no right to dictate to her. She hasn't once explained why she thinks it would be bad for the kids.

DC's mum works full time and is in receipt of all of the child benefits plus full maintenance from DH with no reductions for the time he has them, because for the first year post-separation they had a "nesting" access arrangement - DH did not reduce this when he moved out. In addition to this DH pays for half the cost for uniforms, school trips etc although she could comfortably afford them without his additional contribution. I have only brought up the finances as relevant in order to be clear that we are not proposing any changes in order to reduce maintenance as ExP is already at full whack so to speak and knows she would remain so.

I can already hear the cries of "but what would you do if something happened to his ExP and you had the DCs full time?" Well for a start we would receive all of the child-related benefits (and due to DLA they are substantial in this case). We would be significantly better off and could afford to move to a bigger house so that we wouldn't all feel so on top of each other, especially as none of the kids even pop to the sweetshop let alone socialise. We would also get to use the babysitter and get our breathing space that way. DC's mum has a huge 6 bedroom house, the kids are at school for the majority of the days she has them, plus she uses the babysitter every week, so she gets a lot more personal space than we do. I am not resentful of that fact in itself, but I am resentful that it upsets DH when she still complains that she is hard done by and that he doesn't pull his weight, and ignores the fact that even with the proposed changes he is still having the DC more than most non-resident parents (incidentally DH would be happy to have 50/50 care with the benefits split equally but DC's mum doesn't want that).

AIBU to think its not normal for a mother to be fighting so hard in order not to spend more weekend time with her children? Or is she right in that DH and I are being unspeakably selfish?

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 18:12

I was thinking the same rosiesarered.

Amber there is no reason why the Ex can't conduct her relationship on the nights she has the kids, they live 1/2 an hour away from each other. After all, my DH does it! Plus she still gets every other weekend. Why should her DP's needs take priority over mine? Why should my relationship suffer because ex's DP won't show the same level of commitment to the kids as I do, especially as they have been together longer

Maybe she doesn't want to conduct her relationship when she has her 4 children?

I don't and don't wish to spend time with my partner when I have my children. It would be rather difficult to do so anyway. My relationship is for me Im not looking for someone to co parent with, after dealing with the shit that is being a parent of a child with autism, I want some time that is all about me. I don't want someone to help me scrub poo off the bathroom walls, I want to relax and just 'be' in an adults company. Being able to do this certainly keeps me sane.

Your DH and you get 4 nights a week [under the current arrangement] to be together with no children. The childrens Mum gets 3.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 12/02/2014 18:16

She wants everything doesn't she?

All the money, the kids when it means they are mostly at school, free weekends.

I am changing my mind a bit now as it is so clearly not fair when you have now said about the DP. Would have been better, and relevant, to be in the OP. She has shacked up with a man who doesn't accept her kids. Bad choice which the kids are paying for.

Dumpylump · 12/02/2014 18:16

pixiepotter. You mean the wife who was conducting an emotional affair with the man who is now her partner? She's on her own because that man doesn't want to be involved with four "difficult children". Unlike the op.

MatryoshkaDoll · 12/02/2014 18:18

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 18:20

She wants everything doesn't she

All the money Does that refer to the DLA? You know why people with disabilities/their carers get that don't you? Because it is expensive to be disabled. Or is there an assumption that it's free money to spend on gin?

rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 18:21

it was a new relationship to start with. op knew her dh had kids 3 out of 4 weekends.
they don't have kids 50% they have them 35%

HaPPy8 · 12/02/2014 18:22

I cannot get my head round why any parent would fight for less time with their children. I don't get why she doesn't want more with them - but equally i don't understand why your husband would fight for less. I just feel extremely sorry for the kids who no one seems to want to take full time parenting responsibility for.

ENormaSnob · 12/02/2014 18:23

Yanbu

I would be looking at making it a full 50/50 arrangement. Inc financial.

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 18:24

How is the OP/HER dh having the DSCs 50% of the time?

On a four weekly month it's 10 nights out of a possible 28 isnt it?

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 18:27

rosies I never said we had the kids half the time, what I said was that with the kids being at school for the majority of her time, but are home with is for the majority of our time, in real terms we spend more time with the kids than she does.

WooWoo with regard to school runs/activities the whole point of her being primary carer is that she's responsible for these, and in return she receives a substantial amount of financial advantage to cover that. We'd be happy to do more if she'd accept less money, but she refuses. The default position is that as primary carer the children reside with her the majority of the time. She cannot get to cherry pick what she wants out of the arrangement.

By the way I can see now that it's clear she is only refusing to do equal weekends because of her DP. Why should her DP's needs take priority over both mine and the children's?

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MatryoshkaDoll · 12/02/2014 18:29

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HaPPy8 · 12/02/2014 18:31

He is fighting for less time with them than he has now though, especially less 'weekend time' which seems to be the issue. Seems like he is wanting less time to me.

Sadoldbag · 12/02/2014 18:32

We have two children we have NO weekends alone

This is what you sighed up for if ds decided to move in you will never be alone

rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 18:33

well seems like she can cherry pick. rightly or wrongly.
if she won't communicate how can it change. so maybe she is being unreasonable. but uabu to expect childfeee weekends when you have kids, or marry someone with kids.
you have 65%of the time child free.
agree with pp both parents are fighting for less time with their own kids. poor kids

Tuckshop · 12/02/2014 18:36

So she looks after 4 children, 2 with special needs on her own. They aren't capable of helping out with chores.

AND she works full time.

She deserves a bloody medal. I'm not surprised that she wants some down time. You're "peopled out" at the end of a couple of days with them - there are two of you. I expect she feels exactly the same having done what you do for the time she is with them - the difference being that she is doing it alone.

MatryoshkaDoll · 12/02/2014 18:37

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 18:38

Both parents are fighting for less time with their kids, or...both parents are fighting for more alone time with their respective partners?

Depends how you look at it I suppose, but either way, both parents are doing the exact same thing.

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 18:39

Bnag on Tuckshop

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 18:39

*bang

imaluckylady · 12/02/2014 18:40

What would the children like? Would they prefer a 50/50 split? Would they like weekends shared equally? Have they felt able to express their wishes to their mum and dad?
If they have said to you that they would like more leisure time with their mum, is she aware of this?
Is it worth seeking ways of starting with the children's needs/wants and then working out access from there? I think it's reasonable that as children grow older, they want different things from access arrangements and this should be listened to by both parents. If either is being obstructive, then perhaps a third party needs to be involved to act as an advocate for the children.
I think, though, that the focus must be what the children want, rather than the parent's free time.

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 18:41

amberleaf Maybe she doesn't want to conduct her relationship when she has her 4 children

The children, despite the SN's, took time to get to know me but we get on great and they enjoy spending time with me. If she doesn't want to conduct her relationship with the kids around that is her issue, not mine or my DH's. And how do you think that makes the DC's feel?

All the money Does that refer to the DLA? You know why people with disabilities/their carers get that don't you? Because it is expensive to be disabled. Or is there an assumption that it's free money to spend on gin?

Their disabilities don't disappear when they're with us either, yet we have to suck up the additional costs that entails. Neither DH nor me resent that in itself, but what we do resent is that we are being treated as though we only have the kids for the standard EOW plus one night in the week arrangement, when in reality we have the kids more than that plus in effect pay twice for it too, but with absolutely no recognition from her.

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 18:47

Wanting a weekend to yourself when your children's mother gets EVERY weekend to herself is fair enough imo

The mother doesn't get EVERY weekend to herself. She did until last year, then the OPs DH requested it be changed so that the mother had them one weekend in four.

So they have the children 2 nights less than they did in the previous arrangement.

Now they want to change that to 2 in 4/every other weekend, but still having the same amount of nights by adding on so they keep them until the monday.

Don't forget the OP/her DH get EVERY week sunday-thurs to themselves.

Charley50 · 12/02/2014 18:47

YANBU OP. People don't spend all their time with their kids once they are over 10 usually anyway. Kids stRt to do their own thang. Four kids, two with SN must be quite draining even though obviously they are loved. Sorry is that un-PC? Don't feel guilty for wanting to share weekends fairly but not sure if you are going to get what you want as ex hasn't got the support of her DP. The ex is using them as pawns, not you. Good luck. Maybe a reasonable email would help?

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 18:54

^Tuckshop Wed 12-Feb-14 18:36:21
So she looks after 4 children, 2 with special needs on her own. They aren't capable of helping out with chores.

AND she works full time.

She deserves a bloody medal^

You're forgetting that when they first split, my DH had to look after the kids every Thu-Sun completely alone. He also worked full time. He didn't even have a partner for support on his child-free days. He knows exactly what it is like.

She is only doing it alone because her DP won't step up and help her. How is her life choice somehow our responsibility?

And no, it is not just " a couple of days" that we have the kids. For the bulk of each month it's two evenings plus a full day and a half day per week. She has them for 3 evenings plus a half day per week. For the bulk of each month. How can that set-up be seen as skewed so heavily in our favour?

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 18:55

The children, despite the SN's, took time to get to know me but we get on great and they enjoy spending time with me

That's great, genuinely.

If she doesn't want to conduct her relationship with the kids around that is her issue, not mine or my DH's. And how do you think that makes the DC's feel?

But you feel the same don't you? isn't that what it's about? you said it is putting a strain on your relationship.

As for how it makes the kids feel, have you considered how your proposed changed will make them feel?

Their disabilities don't disappear when they're with us either, yet we have to suck up the additional costs that entails. Neither DH nor me resent that in itself, but what we do resent is that we are being treated as though we only have the kids for the standard EOW plus one night in the week arrangement, when in reality we have the kids more than that plus in effect pay twice for it too, but with absolutely no recognition from her

What recognition do you expect? I would expect your DH to give you recognition for what you do as his wife, as you sound like a good step parent, similarly, I would expect some recognition from the childrens Mum to you, but your DH is their parent and you just don't get a medal for doing what you are supposed to do

I wonder if the childrens Mum is worried that this is another step towards reducing contact overall?