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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or is DSC's mum?

136 replies

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 16:36

Name changed as the details make me identifiable in real life. Sorry it's so long but I feel the context is important as it explains why a lot of the usual solutions couldn't apply to us.

DH has four DCs who we used to have every week from 6pm Thursday through till 2pm Sunday. Last year the access changed slightly so that once a month the DCs are only with us from 6pm Thursday till 8pm Friday so that they get to spend some quality weekend time with their mum (they are still with us for all the other weekends) - this change was tentatively put forward by DH then reluctantly accepted by DC's mum a few months later. The kids on the other hand were very pleased with the new set-up.

DH and I are finding it a strain on our relationship only having two weekend days per month together. Although the kids ages range between 10-16, the two eldest are on the autistic spectrum (they attend special schools) therefore not only are they not in the usual position of being able to pull their weight with household chores such as sorting their own washing or lunches etc, they're not out and about like most other kids their age. They have a specialist babysitter who they're only comfortable with as they've know her for years, their mum often utilises her during the week but as the babysitter quite rightly has weekends off we can't use her during our time for anything but very special occasions. Come Sunday afternoon DH and I are too peopled out and knackered to do anything much together. I appreciate we get to spend Mon-Wed evenings together but we're both tired after work, have all the kids washing and food shopping to catch up on, and let's face it if weekday evenings were sufficient downtime in themselves then weekends wouldn't need to exist for anybody.

The DCs don't enjoy having the transition between houses falling in the middle of the Sunday either as they don't get to enjoy either a lazy day in their PJs nor enough time to have a proper day out with us - breakfast and lunch are crammed in close together and the DCs are rushing about getting their stuff ready to go back to mum's.

Bearing all this in mind DH has proposed to DC's mum that we still have the kids every week from Thu-Fri, but that she increases her Saturdays & Sundays with the DCs from one weekend per month to every other weekend. In return, on the weekends that the DC are with us we will now keep them from Thursday night through till the Monday morning so the number of nights we have them is actually unchanged. The DCs benefit by getting to enjoy proper leisure time with their mum as well as their dad, and Sundays will no longer be dominated by the handover.

When DH asked DC's mum if they could have a meeting as he wanted to discuss changing the access arrangements the first thing she said was "I can't do that" even before knowing what the proposal was. She then said that if he wanted to have the kids less then she would stop contact altogether, then put the phone down on him. She then texted to say we were selfish and had no right to dictate to her. She hasn't once explained why she thinks it would be bad for the kids.

DC's mum works full time and is in receipt of all of the child benefits plus full maintenance from DH with no reductions for the time he has them, because for the first year post-separation they had a "nesting" access arrangement - DH did not reduce this when he moved out. In addition to this DH pays for half the cost for uniforms, school trips etc although she could comfortably afford them without his additional contribution. I have only brought up the finances as relevant in order to be clear that we are not proposing any changes in order to reduce maintenance as ExP is already at full whack so to speak and knows she would remain so.

I can already hear the cries of "but what would you do if something happened to his ExP and you had the DCs full time?" Well for a start we would receive all of the child-related benefits (and due to DLA they are substantial in this case). We would be significantly better off and could afford to move to a bigger house so that we wouldn't all feel so on top of each other, especially as none of the kids even pop to the sweetshop let alone socialise. We would also get to use the babysitter and get our breathing space that way. DC's mum has a huge 6 bedroom house, the kids are at school for the majority of the days she has them, plus she uses the babysitter every week, so she gets a lot more personal space than we do. I am not resentful of that fact in itself, but I am resentful that it upsets DH when she still complains that she is hard done by and that he doesn't pull his weight, and ignores the fact that even with the proposed changes he is still having the DC more than most non-resident parents (incidentally DH would be happy to have 50/50 care with the benefits split equally but DC's mum doesn't want that).

AIBU to think its not normal for a mother to be fighting so hard in order not to spend more weekend time with her children? Or is she right in that DH and I are being unspeakably selfish?

OP posts:
rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 18:57

its skewed 65 35%.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 12/02/2014 19:01

"All the money Does that refer to the DLA? You know why people with disabilities/their carers get that don't you? Because it is expensive to be disabled. Or is there an assumption that it's free money to spend on gin?

Amberleaf - you are the one making an assumption. I hadn't missed the bit about her receiving DLA for the children and meant the fact she takes all the CB/maintenance yet doesn't have the children all the time.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 12/02/2014 19:04

had missed...

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 19:05

When DH asked DC's mum if they could have a meeting as he wanted to discuss changing the access arrangements the first thing she said was "I can't do that" even before knowing what the proposal was She then said that if he wanted to have the kids less then she would stop contact altogether, then put the phone down on him

Reading back, given that the last proposed change led to you/your DH having the children 2 nights less, it sounds likely that she thought your proposal would mean you having them less and reacted accordingly.

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 19:07

you are the one making an assumption. I had missed the bit about her receiving DLA for the children and meant the fact she takes all the CB/maintenance yet doesn't have the children all the time

She has them for the majority of the time though, its a 35%/65% split. So of course she 'takes' all the CB maintenance, that's how it works.

How is that 'wanting it all'?

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 19:14

OP I just wanted to say, although I am arguing my points a tad vociferously, I do think you sound like a good step Mum. Having 4 children, 2 with SNs, that are not yours, is no walk in the park and I can understand why you find it a strain. But I think that their Mum is in the same position, with the exception that she has them more than you and your DH, so I don't think it is fair to paint her as selfish for not wanting the arrangements to change any further.

I think it is the attitude towards their Mum [mainly from other posters TBF] that she is selfish/trying to palm off her children that has riled me.

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 19:14

AmberLeaf Wed 12-Feb-14 18:47 Don't forget the OP/her DH get EVERY week sunday-thurs to themselves

But that's the point, we don't. As the kids are at school their mum actually spends 3 hours with them on a Thursday - we spend 5 (BTW the schools do contact both her and DH during the day times so it's not just her "on duty" during school hours).

Discounting the time they're asleep in our house we have the kids for 8 waking hours on a Sunday - she also has them for 8. If Thursdays and Sundays don't count for us as being with the kids, then they don't count for her either.

As to your point about what recognition do we expect, well if she is going to treat us as if we are doing the minimum, then why not just do the minimum?

And why does she take all the CB maintenance "of course", if our time is split 35%/65% then the finances should reflect that too?

If that attitude is purely based on "that's how it works"' then it's the norm that fathers only see their children EOW because "that's how it works".

Which brings us full circle!

OP posts:
RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 19:17

*non resident fathers, that should be

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RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 19:19

And just to reiterate once again to those asking what the kids want, yes they do want more weekends with their mother

Aren't parents always being told they should put their kids first?

OP posts:
AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 19:19

No the 'thats how it works' refers to the way receipt of CB is allocated legally

I don't understand how she is treating you as if you are doing the minimum though?

I think she is treating you as though she thinks you want to reduce contact like you did previously.

You get sunday, monday, tuesday and wednesday evenings together alone don't you?

Doasbedoneby · 12/02/2014 19:20

Why are posts by step-mums dissected more thoroughly than by other posters?

rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 19:21

does she treat you like you do the minimum?
you want her to be grateful for the time and the money your dh puts in.
parents don't get medals for being parents. same way most dont get child free weekends

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 19:23

Yes, and she gets Thursday and Friday evenings, plus all day Saturday and till 2pm Sunday.

And legally, the non-resident parent's only obligation is to pay maintenance. If you want to argue the legal route then he doesn't actually have to see the kids at all.

Which he wouldn't consider, as he's not an arsehole.

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 19:23

Doasbedoneby apart from initial 'were you the other woman' posts, which were quickly squashed, I don't think this has been a step Mum bashing sort of thread.

The OP gave lots of detail in her OP, people are responding to it. I don't call that dissection.

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 19:24

rosies she treats DH like he's doing the minimum but constantly telling him that he doesn't do his fair share. The kids have picked up on this too.

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 19:26

And legally, the non-resident parent's only obligation is to pay maintenance. If you want to argue the legal route then he doesn't actually have to see the kids at all

Im not arguing the legal route, I was replying to another poster who was implying greed on the Mums part because she got the CB etc. I was explaining that that is because she is the majority carer.

Your DH is obviously not an arsehole, but it is sounding like you think the childrens Mum should be grateful for that?

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 19:28

And just to repeat, we would be happy to go to 50/50 access if the finances were treated it he same way.

In principle we'd even be happy for them to live full time with us (for the reasons given in my OP) but obviously this far down the line it wouldn't be in the kids best interests.

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RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 19:30

Not grateful Amberleaf, but without giving even more backstory she generally treats DH as though he behaves like one.

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rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 19:32

so is this about money?or time?
im confused how you can go from complaining about only having one weekend a month childfeee (65%overall) to you would be happy to have all 4 kids living with you

AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 19:37

In principle we'd even be happy for them to live full time with us (for the reasons given in my OP) but obviously this far down the line it wouldn't be in the kids best interests

Even though having them 35% of the time is putting such a strain on your relationship?

jenniferalisonphillipasue · 12/02/2014 19:41

YANBU OP

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 19:45

Yes amber, for the reasons given in my OP I.e we could afford a bigger house so the kids would be less on top of each other therefore less squabbly, reducing the need for DH and I to require breathing space. We could also make use of the specialist babysitter as the DC's mum does now to get our couple time.

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yummystepford · 12/02/2014 19:49

She explained the answer to that further up.

Their mother only spends the entire day with them 1 weekend a month, which she didn't even want! She only has them days she works and they are at school. She can't ever do much with them in this limited time!!

Reduce maintenance now and use that to attempt to make life a bit easier on you!

breatheslowly · 12/02/2014 19:50

YANBU - you have them for approximately 50% of their waking hours, but don't have the same resources to provide for them. It isn't surprising that this is stressful. It makes sense to be able to negotiate a different split of those 50% of waking hours, particularly as the DC want more "quality time" with their mother. Free time at different times does make a difference - I would much rather have a whole day free than 3 evenings and this is how their mother has arranged it, primarily to suit her (not the children).

rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 19:54

op only has them 3 full weekend days a month.35%overall. they get every Sunday from 2pm to do couple things included in their child free 65%of the week.
hold the mother to ransom by withholding maintenance to get what you want. nice

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