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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or is DSC's mum?

136 replies

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 16:36

Name changed as the details make me identifiable in real life. Sorry it's so long but I feel the context is important as it explains why a lot of the usual solutions couldn't apply to us.

DH has four DCs who we used to have every week from 6pm Thursday through till 2pm Sunday. Last year the access changed slightly so that once a month the DCs are only with us from 6pm Thursday till 8pm Friday so that they get to spend some quality weekend time with their mum (they are still with us for all the other weekends) - this change was tentatively put forward by DH then reluctantly accepted by DC's mum a few months later. The kids on the other hand were very pleased with the new set-up.

DH and I are finding it a strain on our relationship only having two weekend days per month together. Although the kids ages range between 10-16, the two eldest are on the autistic spectrum (they attend special schools) therefore not only are they not in the usual position of being able to pull their weight with household chores such as sorting their own washing or lunches etc, they're not out and about like most other kids their age. They have a specialist babysitter who they're only comfortable with as they've know her for years, their mum often utilises her during the week but as the babysitter quite rightly has weekends off we can't use her during our time for anything but very special occasions. Come Sunday afternoon DH and I are too peopled out and knackered to do anything much together. I appreciate we get to spend Mon-Wed evenings together but we're both tired after work, have all the kids washing and food shopping to catch up on, and let's face it if weekday evenings were sufficient downtime in themselves then weekends wouldn't need to exist for anybody.

The DCs don't enjoy having the transition between houses falling in the middle of the Sunday either as they don't get to enjoy either a lazy day in their PJs nor enough time to have a proper day out with us - breakfast and lunch are crammed in close together and the DCs are rushing about getting their stuff ready to go back to mum's.

Bearing all this in mind DH has proposed to DC's mum that we still have the kids every week from Thu-Fri, but that she increases her Saturdays & Sundays with the DCs from one weekend per month to every other weekend. In return, on the weekends that the DC are with us we will now keep them from Thursday night through till the Monday morning so the number of nights we have them is actually unchanged. The DCs benefit by getting to enjoy proper leisure time with their mum as well as their dad, and Sundays will no longer be dominated by the handover.

When DH asked DC's mum if they could have a meeting as he wanted to discuss changing the access arrangements the first thing she said was "I can't do that" even before knowing what the proposal was. She then said that if he wanted to have the kids less then she would stop contact altogether, then put the phone down on him. She then texted to say we were selfish and had no right to dictate to her. She hasn't once explained why she thinks it would be bad for the kids.

DC's mum works full time and is in receipt of all of the child benefits plus full maintenance from DH with no reductions for the time he has them, because for the first year post-separation they had a "nesting" access arrangement - DH did not reduce this when he moved out. In addition to this DH pays for half the cost for uniforms, school trips etc although she could comfortably afford them without his additional contribution. I have only brought up the finances as relevant in order to be clear that we are not proposing any changes in order to reduce maintenance as ExP is already at full whack so to speak and knows she would remain so.

I can already hear the cries of "but what would you do if something happened to his ExP and you had the DCs full time?" Well for a start we would receive all of the child-related benefits (and due to DLA they are substantial in this case). We would be significantly better off and could afford to move to a bigger house so that we wouldn't all feel so on top of each other, especially as none of the kids even pop to the sweetshop let alone socialise. We would also get to use the babysitter and get our breathing space that way. DC's mum has a huge 6 bedroom house, the kids are at school for the majority of the days she has them, plus she uses the babysitter every week, so she gets a lot more personal space than we do. I am not resentful of that fact in itself, but I am resentful that it upsets DH when she still complains that she is hard done by and that he doesn't pull his weight, and ignores the fact that even with the proposed changes he is still having the DC more than most non-resident parents (incidentally DH would be happy to have 50/50 care with the benefits split equally but DC's mum doesn't want that).

AIBU to think its not normal for a mother to be fighting so hard in order not to spend more weekend time with her children? Or is she right in that DH and I are being unspeakably selfish?

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DanceParty · 12/02/2014 17:35

She's milking it, OP. She's getting all the benefits, DLA, child benefit, probably tax credits etc. etc. and she's got 'her' plans for the weekends that she doesn't want to change.

It strikes me that YOU are willing to love her children, but HER partner is not. THAT's why she wants ALL her weekends free.

sparechange · 12/02/2014 17:41

Pixie, the context in which OPs relationship started is irrelevant.

OP, YANBU. Clearly, parenting these children is tough, and the SM values the 'down' days she gets, and probably has a social life arranged around them.

But I think your points are valid and your DH is doing more than his fair share. She is attempting massive emotional blackmail to maintain the status quo, but in reality, she isn't going to follow through on it.
She is trying to have as many child-free weekends as possible, so is never going to end up with a situation where she has them all the time to spite you and your DH.
It is difficult to see how you can speak to her if she is just going to hang up on you, but you should call her on her threat if you can.

rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 17:42

me and my partner don't get any kid free weekend days in any month. we both work all day Saturday while kids are with other parents and we spend Sundays as a family.
same if it was the original family, what do people that are still together do with their kids?
the proposed new arrangement sounds reasonable but can't see how if she won't communicate.
uabu to feel entitled to kid free weekends when you've got kids. as is ex

MojitoMadness · 12/02/2014 17:44

I think the access you want it changed to is quite reasonable. Although their mum is quite within her rights to refuse.

On the other hand I think YAB a bit U to want 2 child free weekends a month. A lot of parents don't don't get any child free time together. We don't have on tap babysitters and every weekend is of course spent with the kids. If we do want to go somewhere together we have to plan it months in advance as our babysitters (my sister and DSD) have very busy social lives.

When my DSD was younger (she's an adult now) she lived with us, never had contact with her mother and only stayed at her grandparents sporadically. When she did start going out all the time as a teenager my own dds were babies so we never had any child free weekends. You just get on with it, make plans to have meals together when the kids are in bed, etc.

I know how hard it is with a child with autism (my dd has ASD), but again, you work together, and make it through together, regardless of how tough it is.

I think YABU, you married a guy with kids, every weekend spent with the kids is kind of a given. And that's coming from a fellow stepmother.

needaholidaynow · 12/02/2014 17:44

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RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 17:53

To those who say IABU for wanting an equal split of child- free weekends I ask again, why does that apply only to us and not to the mum? It's not even like we are pushing for her to have the majority of weekends, only equal.

Under our new proposal the kids still spend the same 10 out of 28 nights with us as they do currently.

And why is it not in the DC's interest to enjoy equal leisure time with their mother?

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 17:55

Her DP struggles with the children therefore she spends Thu-Sun at her DPs house. Her DP refuses to travel to her apart from when it's unavoidable. I didn't like to speculate but I think this plays a large part in why the Ex is so adamant she doesn't want her kids during weekend

So she can only conduct her relationship on her child free time?

I can see why she doesn't want to change things.

It's hard trying to have a relationship when you have a child/children with SNs.

Your DH has the rest of the week to maintain his relationship with you, the SDCs Mum only has the weekends that the children are with their Dad and you.

I dont think YABU as such, but I don't think she is either and I empathise more with her [I too have a chid with autism]

JumpingJackSprat · 12/02/2014 17:55

It's like step mum bingo in here. "Why are you trying to change things" & "were you the ow"? In not so many words. There's nothing wrong in what you propose. Unfortunately some ex wives/girlfriends are vindictive and nasty and won't want to do anything that benefits you or your dp. Maybe it's time to start withdrawing some of the cash to try and redress the balance to make yours and the kids lives less stressful - he shouldn't be paying maintenance of he is having them 50% of the time and then maybe you could afford a bigger house. Has he considered Court?

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 17:55

*the same number of nights as they have with us currently, not the same actual nights as now

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AmberLeaf · 12/02/2014 17:59

^me and my partner don't get any kid free weekend days in any month. we both work all day Saturday while kids are with other parents and we spend Sundays as a family.
same if it was the original family, what do people that are still together do with their kids?^

The difference is, you are still a couple.

Parents that are no longer a couple obviously won't spend time together.

When you are not a couple, if you wish to have an adult relationship with a new person, you need free time to do so. Both parents should have the opportunity to do this.

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 18:00

Amber there is no reason why the Ex can't conduct her relationship on the nights she has the kids, they live 1/2 an hour away from each other. After all, my DH does it! Plus she still gets every other weekend. Why should her DP's needs take priority over mine? Why should my relationship suffer because ex's DP won't show the same level of commitment to the kids as I do, especially as they have been together longer?

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MaryWestmacott · 12/02/2014 18:01

Hmm, Op, I think the problem is your DH's exW is trying to have a relationship a man who doesn't want a relationship with her DCs, so she can threaten "no contact" for your DH but you know that's bollocks because that would mean she would have to end her relationship. Personally, I'd call her on that threat, a "ok then. I'm not happy with the current arrangement, if you want to stop contact all together, you do that for now and then when you're ready to talk, call me."

It sounds to me that stopping all contact would be a disaster for your DH's ex, she would have to deal with the DCs 7 days a week which she doesn't want to, she'd have to face up to the fact that her DP doesn't want to be a step dad, so her relationship would be dead in the water if she doesn't have DC-free time.

I'm not a fan on NRPs going none contact, but I'd reckon you'd only have to do it for less than a month to get her back in the conversation.

Wibblypiglikesbananas · 12/02/2014 18:02

I'd be tempted to split everything 50/50 and make it all official.

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 18:02

^ Amber that was in response to your previous post^

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rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 18:02

he isn't having them half the time he's having them just over a third of the time

rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 18:02

so you have 18 nights child free

MatryoshkaDoll · 12/02/2014 18:05

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rosiesarered · 12/02/2014 18:05

amberleaf. we are a couple but not the original family. my ds goes to his dad Saturday . dss comes to us Saturday night til Sunday. no child free weekends for us.

haveyourselfashandy · 12/02/2014 18:07

I don't think you are being at all unreasonable. I think you should call her bluff,as a previous poster has said,she wouldn't want the children 7 days a week.It wouldn't last long.

SummersDumbAsPie · 12/02/2014 18:08

I think yanbu. She doesn't want her children around because it means her relationship might suffer. But it's okay for yours to be under pressure? An equal split of leisure time seems fair to me.

WooWooOwl · 12/02/2014 18:09

I don't think you're wrong for wanting an equal split of child free weekends, although I think it's telling that you phrase it that way instead of focussing on wanting an equal amount of time with the children.

I just think that if you want equal child free weekends, then you should be offering to do equal school runs/after school activities etc as well.

I also don't think it's up to new partners to come along and have a negative opinion on access arrangements that were made between two parents before they even came along. If you didn't fancy the thought of only having one weekend a month without having someone else's children around, then you shouldn't have started a relationship with someone who sees his children three weekends out of four.

You were lucky that the man you feel for had any weekends at all free considering he has four children, and I think you're missing that point in your posts and making it all about the ex and what she wants. And whether you like it or not, what she wants is more important than what you want.

The ex's wants and your DHs wants are of equal importance, but I think you need to be honest and ask yourself if there's any chance that your DH only wants to change the arrangement just because you're telling him that's what you want.

pixiepotter · 12/02/2014 18:09

I think it's a lot harder on her tbh.She doesn't have a live in partner to help.

MaryWestmacott so she can threaten "no contact" for your DH but you know that's bollocks because that would mean she would have to end her relationship. Personally, I'd call her on that threat, a "ok then. I'm not happy with the current arrangement, if you want to stop contact all together, you do that for now and then when you're ready to talk, call me."

What? They are children not pawns, to play silly little games with!

RougeRoyale · 12/02/2014 18:10

Regardless of the fact that it suits me personally, at the heart of this issue there are four kids who would love to spend more weekends with their mum.

DH would hate to go down the court route as warring parents are not good for the kids, up until now things have been relatively amicable in part because DH has always let his Ex set the agenda. However it's got to the point where we are no longer willing to have access in effect dictated by her DP's unwillingness to commit to her and the kids properly.

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pixiepotter · 12/02/2014 18:11

And what a worm your DH is -leaving his wife on her own with 4 difficult children.

WooWooOwl · 12/02/2014 18:12

Pixie, I think OP has already said that it was the wife that ended the marriage.