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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask if you think that Knox is guilty?

656 replies

superstarheartbreaker · 31/01/2014 22:08

I have no idea but it seems that her kissing her boyfriend at the time was seen as suspicious whereas I don't think that this is suspicious at all. DNA is...kissing one's lover.no. It's not even that inappropriate to kiss ones lover in the face of tragedy.
Didn't she do cartwheels though?

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steff13 · 01/02/2014 01:10

How easily is DNA spread? Could it be on the bra clasp because AK took Meredith's clothes down from a washing line or something or does there need to be firmer contact for it to be detected?

There is such a thing a touch DNA, which is left behind when you touch something, usually from skin cells that are shed.

www.forensicmag.com/articles/2010/12/touch-dna

So, Amanda could have left DNA on Meredith's bra from innocently touching it. I don't know if the source of the DNA was identified (blood, saliva, etc.)?

Migsy1 · 01/02/2014 01:18

Someone posted a link to details of the case earlier. Looking at that, there seems to be a fair amount of evidence against AK, not least because she changed her story, made up an alibi, had her phone unusually switched off at the time of the murder, a burglary was staged, she lied to police about Meredith locking her bedroom door, when police came with Meredith's phone she told police it was not unusual for Meredith's room to be locked whereas other roommates said that she never locked her door, - they knew she was missing and her phone had been found and yet they didn't seem to be worried that they couldn't get into the room, there were footprints the size of AK's in the bathroom with Meredith's blood. It goes on.

Migsy1 · 01/02/2014 01:20

And she disclosed details of the murder to friends before they were released.

Migsy1 · 01/02/2014 01:23

The other weird thing is that sollicito had pornographic material in his flat depicting the rape and murder of women. Allegedly.

IEvenBurnToast · 01/02/2014 01:32

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steff13 · 01/02/2014 01:35

Guilty or not, the evidence against her is not enough to convict her. Even if she is guilty the Italian police made a farce of it shedding doubt. Since there is doubt, I don't think you can convict her.

This is my opinion as well. I would have had reasonable doubt; I never would have convicter her.

VinoTime · 01/02/2014 02:26

I think they know more than they're letting on.

The blood is very telling. If you look closely at the pictures, you can clearly see that poor Meredith was moved. The picture of the bra strap outlined in the blood pool clearly shows that Meredith died next to the wardrobe and was wearing her bra at the time. She was later moved closer towards the bed and her bra was removed. Lack of defensive wounds to her hands and arms suggest she was restrained and bruising to her elbows supports this, which realistically speaking, could put at least one other person in the room, though that is certainly debatable.

I have no doubt in my mind that Rudy Guede is guilty for his part.

I think there's a real possibility that AK and RS moved Meredith's body and staged the break in, possibly because they've returned to the house doped up to the eyeballs on drugs and panicked having found Meredith (the drugs certainly not helping them to act in a "sane" way), or possibly because they had some involvement. A lack of any DNA evidence doesn't put AK in the room, but her (diluted) bloody footprints in the hallway and on the bathroom mat do. RS's DNA was found on MK's torn bra clasp and his (diluted) bloody footprints were also found.

Were they directly involved in that poor girls murder? I don't think we'll ever know for sure. My gut instinct and my interpretation of the evidence certainly tells me that they're both hiding something though.

MyBaby1day · 01/02/2014 06:25

In a word yes. RIP poor Meredith and your poor family Sad

sashh · 01/02/2014 07:36

The actual murderer was found convicted on overwhelming evidence and sentenced years ago. There's not a shred of evidence to link her.

Guerdy(?sp) was convicted but there is no doubt he did not act alone. Meredith had bruising consistent with someone holding her down while someone else stabbed her.

Apart from her knowing how Meredith died when she supposedly hadn't seen the body.

Apart from two knives being used, one was never found, another was a match for the knife found at Solecito's, where Meredith had never been, but had her DNA on it.

Her DNA mixed in with Meredith's DNA.

She has been found guilty. She has not been found guilty, innocent, guilty. In Italian law there are 2 automatic appeals, one for the defendant, one for the prosecution. Finally the verdict goes to an Italian version of the high court, that last stage has not happened.

The most recent case was the prosecution appeal. The basis was that the defence won their appeal because they considered every piece of evidence separately, this appeal has criticised that and said things should be taken together.

Yes a lot of the evidence is circumstantial

The phones being switched off, neither usually did this but on that night they did.

Solecito phoning his sister and not the police.

The staged break in.

Knowing Meredith would be alone.

The flatmates being so suspicious that after giving Knox a lift to the police station they searched their car in case something had been hidden.

The fact they both smoked pot and the other accused may have supplied them but they claimed not to know him.

Yes lots of circumstantial, but put it together with the DNA, the false accusation, the other evidence.

wowfudge · 01/02/2014 07:44

Spartak and Steff the DNA on the bra clasp was RS's, not AK's. Guede talked about a knife wielding Italian man. That could be RS then.

Unfortunately the reporting of this case and the sensationalising of it have detracted from the fact that a young woman lost her life in horrible circumstances.

Knox and Sollecito argued the DNA evidence was unsound in their original appeal case. The judges have overthrown this verdict now.

What does seem apparent is that Knox and Sollecito know more about what actually happened than they have said. There are many unanswered questions, but they should do the decent thing and come clean about what went on and what they did around and after Meredith's murder. Unfortunately, saving their own skins seems to be their top priority.

There is a saying about 'protesting too much' and, IMO, Knox protests her innocence in such terms and so frequently that I just don't believe she wasn't involved in some way.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 01/02/2014 07:48

I'm not sure wowfudge, if I was convicted for something I know I didn't do, I would be protesting my innocence as well.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 01/02/2014 08:02

it's not plausible that Guede, Knox and Sollecito would carry out a murder together. How would events have led to this? Amanda Knox couldn't even give Rudy Guede's name.

wowfudge · 01/02/2014 08:04

Vampyre it's not just that AK protests her innocence, it's the way she does it too. It feels wrong, if that makes sense. The evidence points to her having been in Meredith's room after the murder but that has not been explained to my knowledge.

londonrach · 01/02/2014 08:06

Yes i think she is guilty. She certainly knows more than she is letting on. I feel uneasy seeing her on the tv and the way she is shown in the press. There should have been a blanket ban at the start so just the facts where shown in the court. She was acting on the recent tv interview and that worried me. I just wish everyone would remember the real victim here....meredith

wowfudge · 01/02/2014 08:06

How do you know it's not plausible, by the way? Given the dope smoking, etc is it not entirely plausible she didn't hear or couldn't recall his name correctly?

Minnieisthedevilmouse · 01/02/2014 08:09

Guilty.

Rip Meredith kercher. God bless you.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 01/02/2014 08:09

it just isn't - Guede didn't even mention Amanda and Raffaele originally. His dna was found inside Meredith. They were virtual strangers, what on earth would make them decide to commit murder together? It's far more likely that if you can't recall a person's name it's because you don't know them rather than that you were smoking weed.

Nerfmother · 01/02/2014 08:11

Or that you're pretending you don't recall, so you aren't associated? Surely if you were someway involved you'd avoid naming your fellow murderers?

BoffinMum · 01/02/2014 08:23

I like the Not Proven concept - it works here.

wowfudge · 01/02/2014 08:37

Just too many unanswered questions and a sense that neither Knox nor Sollecito has told the truth about their actions.

Let's face it - after a short time together in the same place in Italy, how well did any of them know each other?

LeBearPolar · 01/02/2014 08:50

For those who say "She's been found guilty so she did it", she's also been found innocent.... so she did it, but she didn't do it?

I didn't say she'd been found guilty so she did it, though. I just said that she'd been found guilty.

MrsBucketxx · 01/02/2014 08:55

Guilty as charged.

Lock her up she us a manipulative woman on every count.

BumPotato · 01/02/2014 09:07

I think it is wrong of her not to respect the decision of the Italian courts. They've heard all the evidence. The book and tv appearances are crass.

Poor Meredith who was brutally tortured and murdered. The torture goes on, only now it is Meredith's family on the receiving end.

Pigsmummy · 01/02/2014 09:27

I think that the Italian police messed this up dreadfully but I do think that there were three people involved in the crime.

So much of it doesn't ring true, if you found mysterious blood pools in bathroom would you think "I will take a shower for twenty minutes then call the police"?

Did anyone listen to Met detective on Jeremy Vine yesterday? He was convinced of guilt too

FreudiansSlipper · 01/02/2014 09:31

if they were so drugged up how did they manage to clean the bedroom from all dna (hair/fingerprints) but left a tiny amount on the bra strap (wasn't the washing hung up in the bathroom

sadly because maybe a sex game that went wrong, a young couple, a woman who many see as manipulative has been thrown into this story it makes it more interesting

a young girl brutally murdered by one man does not catch our imagination quite so much

humans are quite morbid at times

sadly i doubt Kercher's family will never know what really happened that night and this case will run for years adding to their despair