To ask if you think that Knox is guilty?

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I have no idea but it seems that her kissing her boyfriend at the time was seen as suspicious whereas I don't think that this is suspicious at all. DNA is...kissing one's lover.no. It's not even that inappropriate to kiss ones lover in the face of tragedy.
Didn't she do cartwheels though?

you can not compare the actions of people running away from the towers falling

that was a flight or fight response, they had to get away to save their lives

these were two young adults in the glare of media attention coming to terms with their flatmate being brutally murdered

people often laugh when told terrible news, it is not unusual for people not to cry or show any emotion when someone close to them has died you can not judge a person by how they act when they are in shock, or you should not judge them as it is irrelevant to how they are as a person

I don't think she is at all.

The person who did it has been locked up for some years.

What does Rudy Guede say about them?

originally, he doesn't seem to have said anything about them. I think he's changed his story now.

Wasn't there a British case a few years ago about a young girl Billie Jo Jenkin's murder. Her foster father was convicted and then freed but his guilt is still under question. I can't remember the exact details but his wife seemed to think he was guilty.

In Scotland the courts have a third option instead of guilty/not guilty and that is 'not proven'. It means you are not quite in the clear due to lack of evidence. I think not proven can apply to AK and RS.

I think she and her then boyfriend are innocent and I am amazed they have been declared guilty. The forensic evidence from the murder room showed bloody footprints, DNA, fingerprints, palm prints, hair, bodily fluids and fecal matter from Rudy Guede. There was a complete absence of evidence that either Knox or her boyfriend were present (unless you count a bra clasp that was allegedly discovered 6 weeks after the event with questionable DNA marking related to the boyfriend). If you accept the forensic evidence either Knox and Sollecito managed somehow to leave no trace or they simply weren't there.

It is, of course, impossible to be sure but everything about this case seems to indicate that Guede committed the murder alone.

cartwheels? she was asked by 'lecherous' policemen to show them some yoga positions.

Not true in the slightest.

She claimed she did the splits once - because she needed to stretch after waiting so long when being questioned.

Yes it was mentioned that a policewoman also claimed she did cartwheels an backflips but nothing about 'lecherous' police

By the way this is what she said herself during an interview in 2013 with Diane Sawyer.

were you there then? that statement is in one account anyway. accept that it may not be true but no more ludicrous than the cartwheels crap.

as I have said since: "it's odd how things can be interpreted so differently. one source reports that she was doing yoga to help alleviate stress. another says she was in high spirits and doing cartwheels. I suppose it's up to you which one you believe."

these were two young adults in the glare of media attention coming to terms with their flatmate being brutally murdered

Whether she's guilty or not I don't think she cared about her roommate being brutally murdered.

Knox even said to Meredith's friends - "Meredith must have suffered. She had her fucking throat cut"

• Which she admits to saying herself. Hardly words of grief.

maybe she didn't really care about Meredith. maybe they weren't very close. maybe that's how she always handles shock. whatever the case, doesn't make her a murderer.

doesn't necessarily*. of course, she might be. I just don't think so.

Either way she definitely did some sort of gymnast position (whether there were multiple who knows?)

I was disputing that you said lecherous police made her do it. By her own account it was done by her own free will and not influenced. Possible that it could have been to stretch, it is rather odd behaviour.

apparently there were lecherous undertones in how they spoke about her. it could just be bs, as you say, she didn't say it herself.

maybe they weren't very close. maybe that's how she always handles shock. whatever the case, doesn't make her a murderer.

I said right at the start that whether she is guilty or not. I never said her not liking Meredith made her a murderer.

It is unfair for us to speculate without having heard all the evidence

But for my money she is guilty - for the following reasons

1. Far, far more guilty people walk free than innocent people convicted
2. RG implicated them
3. She changed her story a few times including implicating someone who fortunately was able to prove he was elsewhere
4. Mobile phone switched off
5. She was found guilty by two Italian courts who heard all the evidence

There's a lot of stuff there - nothing to do with whether or not she kissed her boyfriend

what did Guede say to implicate them? originally, he talked about an Italian man with a knife...

I don't get why the cartwheels keep being brought up as evidence of guilt.

Because it's just an odd way to behave.

I've lived with different roommates (most was a house share if 9) and a couple of them you'd barely see. But if they had been murdered in the same house I lived in - I don't think I'd be doing cartwheels the same day.

also, I would have thought that a lot of innocent people's stories are inconsistent due to stress, fear, pressure...

maybe not cartwheels. possibly yoga though, if she found it an effective way to relax.

How easily is DNA spread? Could it be on the bra clasp because AK took Meredith's clothes down from a washing line or something or does there need to be firmer contact for it to be detected?

She never mentioned yoga once in the latest interview I saw, she said she just did the splits.

Redruby, Many people believe that "not proven" means " we think you did it but we can't prove it" but it doesn't. It's just another version of "not guilty". No more, no less.

I was once involved in a motorway pile up where a young girl was horrifically killed. My boyfriend (at the time) and I had to give a witness statement to the police a week later. It was at night when the accident happened' I thought the car she was in was dark red and he said dark blue. Apart from that our statements matched. We were questioned separately.

Twenty three years later I remember where we had been that day and the day before. The police were kind but intensive (we were in no way to blame, just witnesses) and I was a bit shaken by the level of questioning.

AK and RS have never really answered where they were that night. Lots of 'I don't remember' The computer/phone records do not seem to match their stories. This was the NEXT day.

Then again not one of us was there at the scene, on the jury, involved in the crime scene etc etc.

The sad thing for Meredith's family is that they may never know with any certainty unless somebody confesses or produces some conclusive evidence. I think she is involved in some way but that is a gut instinct rather than anything else

Anne
We have seen recently the US demanding the extradition of a man from the UK for computer hacking (sorry, his name escapes me), however it has been widely reported that the US is incredibly unlikely to allow the extradition of Amanda Knox should Italy request it.
Why does the US think they can force extradition for their own purposes but not allow other countries to do the same to criminals who are US citizens?
If the US does refuse the extradition will European countries refuse to extradite European citizens to the US?
This is a really important point which really needs to be addressed

America and, to a lesser extent, the UK seem to think they can pour disdain on the legal systems of any other countries