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To ask if you think that Knox is guilty?

656 replies

superstarheartbreaker · 31/01/2014 22:08

I have no idea but it seems that her kissing her boyfriend at the time was seen as suspicious whereas I don't think that this is suspicious at all. DNA is...kissing one's lover.no. It's not even that inappropriate to kiss ones lover in the face of tragedy.
Didn't she do cartwheels though?

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VampyreofTimeandMemory · 31/01/2014 23:09

Mignini, at one point, dreamed up a scenario in which Knox referred to Kercher as 'that simpering girl'. I don't know why but something tells me that's just not the sort of language they would have used. Mignini comes across as a dodgy fantasist.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 31/01/2014 23:10

or *fantasizer...

DavidHarewoodsFloozy · 31/01/2014 23:11

What Boffinmum said. I don,t think she would have been convicted on the evidence beyond reasonable doubt. But, yes, I think she,s guilty.

anonacfr · 31/01/2014 23:14

Also if they were in the room with Guede how would they have managed to remove all their DNA from the crime scene but leave Guede's?

I think it's possible they were worried about being caught with drugs and didn't even think about potentially becoming murder suspects, or they heard what happened and panicked and lied about it.

I just don't think they were in the room when Meredith was murdered.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 31/01/2014 23:14

David do you think Rudy Guede is guilty then?

Mintyy · 31/01/2014 23:16

This is not an aibu question and there are countless other threads about this.

When the fuck will people learn to use Mn properly?

lottieandmia · 31/01/2014 23:16

SaucyJack - sorry what I meant was that there was an unidentified accomplice wasn't there? Because it was thought he couldn't have committed the crime alone.

lottieandmia · 31/01/2014 23:18

Yes, totally agree about the DNA.

rainraingoAWAYNEVERCOMEBACK · 31/01/2014 23:18

minty I am not aware of other threads on this, who made you thread police. ..

Maybe you should set up a clinic to help us all use it properly, because there is misuse of it, on nearly every single threadConfused

CalamityKate · 31/01/2014 23:21

I don't get why the cartwheels keep being brought up as evidence of guilt.

Surely a guilty person would be even more apt to act in a way that they thought an innocent person would act? Whereas an innocent person, trusting that the truth would out, wouldn't be nearly so guarded about their behaviour.

SavoyCabbage · 31/01/2014 23:22

Rudy Guede was not a stranger to Amanda Knox. He was a friend of the male students who lived in the bottom part of the house. He had socialised with AK in her house and had asked her out.

PortofinoRevisited · 31/01/2014 23:24

I can easily imagine a scenario where they were stoned, and can't remember exact timing, had a shag then went to sleep. Vs the prosecution view that they got together with a stranger to commit rape and murder, .

Mintyy · 31/01/2014 23:24

This is at least the fourth thread in the last couple of days.

Very lazy argument to say "who made you thread police" btw.

rainraingoAWAYNEVERCOMEBACK · 31/01/2014 23:24

I think humans mostly follow quite similar patterns of behaviour in certain circumstances. so for instance, people in the district of 9/11, seeing the towers collapsing, would seem strange if they suddenly started to do cartwheels....

most people whether in shock or no, are more rigid, up tight, afraid....disbelief, fear and so on...

rainraingoAWAYNEVERCOMEBACK · 31/01/2014 23:25

Mintyy

I am not on MN every day and I for one have not seen the thread on this, and tbh who cares if there are a million threads on this, if the people using MN want to talk about it?

FloweryFeatureWall · 31/01/2014 23:26

I think if Amanda Knox had been a less stereotypically attractive woman, this would not have played out in the same way at all. It wouldn't have been splashed over the media as much and then there wouldn't be the desperation to find her guilty.

Sparklysilversequins · 31/01/2014 23:26

Don't be such a bossy boots mintyy.

As for AK, I don't know but I don't think so, it just doesn't fit somehow and I think the man who was convicted has a vested interest in sharing the blame out to someone, anyone. I just feel sorry for Meredith and her family.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 31/01/2014 23:27

"But five days after the murder, in the pre-dawn hours of November 6, 2007, supporters claim the questioning became much more aggressive in tone. The police apparently grilled her about text messages between her and the man for whom she occasionally worked, Patrick Lumumba. They insisted the pair had made plans to meet on the night of the murder.
It is alleged the police told her they had proof she was at the scene of the crime, that she would go to prison for the next 30 years and would never see her family again.
Under this pressure, Knox is said to have described a version of events that the defence says was an imaginary dream or vision.
In this 'vision', she was in the kitchen covering her ears to block out the screams while Mr Lumumba was in Meredith's bedroom. The defence says she gave police what they wanted to hear and that her confusion is evident in a note she wrote a few hours later.
She stated: 'In regards to this "confession" that I made last night, I want to make it clear that I'm very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion."

seems probable to me.

Rudy Guede actually confessed to being there and implicated himself when talking to a friend online after he had fled. He didn't at the time implicate Knox or Sollecito but a 'knife-wielding Italian'.

PortofinoRevisited · 31/01/2014 23:27

Savoy - but she had only been there a few weeks. Knowing who he was does not make them bosom buddies. She probably met loads of people in the same timeframe.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 31/01/2014 23:32

given that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence (bloody fingerprints, for example) points to Guede as the murderer, you would have thought there would be a similar amount relating to Knox and sollecito. but there isn't.

SavoyCabbage · 31/01/2014 23:34

They weren't strangers though.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 31/01/2014 23:36

oh and he conveniently was sick in the bathroom while this poor woman was being murdered by this knife-wielding Italian man and then instead of calling the police immediately upon discovering Meredith, Rudy fled. slightly more suspicious behaviour than yoga and kissing? he had nothing to lose by implicating Amanda and Raffaele but he didn't. possibly because they weren't there when he committed the murder? why invent the crazy knife-wielder?

Beavie · 31/01/2014 23:38

I wasn't sure...but if you read through this you have to admit it doesn't look too good...

themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 31/01/2014 23:39

it's odd how things can be interpreted so differently. one source reports that she was doing yoga to help alleviate stress. another says she was in high spirits and doing cartwheels. I suppose it's up to you which one you believe.

bodygoingsouth · 31/01/2014 23:40

well either you trust the Italian investigation or you don't! just like the Portuguese investigation into Maddeline McCann.mnnnn.

still who knows.

wish we were talking more about beautiful Meredith rather than the others here.