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To ask if you think that Knox is guilty?

656 replies

superstarheartbreaker · 31/01/2014 22:08

I have no idea but it seems that her kissing her boyfriend at the time was seen as suspicious whereas I don't think that this is suspicious at all. DNA is...kissing one's lover.no. It's not even that inappropriate to kiss ones lover in the face of tragedy.
Didn't she do cartwheels though?

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Migsy1 · 02/02/2014 22:45

Apparently, AK disclosed details of MK's death to MK's friends whilst in the police station. How would she know these details before they were released?

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 22:46

which details?

Migsy1 · 02/02/2014 22:49

That she died a slow and painful death and that her throat had been slit. She also referred to the wardrobe against which she had been killed.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 02/02/2014 22:57

Migsy, I've just started reading Death in Perigia - apparently one of the flatmate's boyfriends actually broke the door down and so said something about what he saw - and Amanda said MK was "in the cupboard" which is incorrect anyway - she was on the floor near the cupboard. The "of course it was painful and horrible - her throat was cut" came in response to another friend saying she hoped it was quick.

So far the author has pointed out strange behaviour from AK (the kissing etc) but I don't know his ultimate view on guilt etc yet.

Nerfmother · 02/02/2014 22:59

I read that book , I like John follaine; he did an interesting book on the judges trying the mafia I think. It maybe on the monster of Florence.
I'm not sure what I thought he believed but he seemed to get a lot from Knox' family and Meredith's friends. None of the friends seemed sympathetic towards Amanda.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 23:00

wasn't amanda there when meredith's body was found? how can you be so sure she didn't discover those details at that point?

amanda and raffaele had no previous run-ins with the law whereas rudy did. 'stranger murder' is very often committed by people who have committed crimes already (burglary, for example). there's no evidence to suggest that meredith and rudy actually really knew each other. or that amanda/raffaele knew rudy. the three of them getting together to commit a brutal murder is an absolutely bizarre notion, not least because knox and sollecito had everything to lose...

PortofinoRevisited · 02/02/2014 23:04

AK was in the vicinity when the body was discovered. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that one of the boyfriends who helped knock down the door mentioned something.

Thetallesttower · 02/02/2014 23:05

Vampyre that's the reason I think it unlikely. I can't think of another similar case at all - whereas sadly when a child like Tia Sharpe goes missing, looking at the unrelated males in the family or local environment often yields the killer (although that doesn't mean they are necessarily individually guilty). It's just so unlikely that they would have a sex game (whatever that is), or argue and three of them all conspire quickly to kill her in such a gruesome way.

That's not to say that I don't think she may have lied- she may have lied as she was on drugs, did hear something, did see something and so on. But- as a murdering pair, it just doesn't seem plausible or similar to any other case I can think of (at least where a third person is definitely convicted on such definite DNA).

Thetallesttower · 02/02/2014 23:07

They also had no previous convictions- again if you watched the Lying programme on ITV (which I did on catch-up) the men who told lies and eventually got found out all pretty much had a history of violence in general and violence against women in particular. They didn't just, having never done anything like it before in their lives, just stab a flatmate.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 23:09

i honestly think the only reason that the sex game theory came about was that AK was allegedly promiscuous and had a vibrator in a clear cosmetics bag in the bathroom. once the media got hold of it...

i don't think AK and RS had any involvement. she said when she arrived at the apartment on 2 nov and went for a shower, she assumed the blood in the bathroom was menstrual. this is perfectly believable.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 23:11

it also seems as though RG had a fairly dysfunctional childhood - another common trait amongst killers who commit stranger murder.

PortofinoRevisited · 02/02/2014 23:26

To me the simplest explanation has always been the best one. And it seems to be born out with the evidence. One killer - which is what the forensic shows. Also from a common sense point of view.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 23:30

I agree portofino. why the determination to punish AK and RS, I really don't know.

PortofinoRevisited · 02/02/2014 23:31

The DNA on the knife - disputed
The DNA on the bra clasp - disputed
Bleach buying - witness came by a year later
CCTV footage - shows Meredith coming home, and Rudi near the cottage but not AK.RS

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 23:33

re the bra clasp - there was more than just Meredith's and Raffaele's DNA on it. those who are convinced of AK's and RS's guilt seem quite willing to ignore this.

PortofinoRevisited · 02/02/2014 23:35

There were 3 unidentified profiles, iirc.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 23:41

i didn't know about cctv footage though, that's certainly interesting. I suspect a lot of people don't give a shit about AK's fate simply because the media has convinced them that she's psychopathic 'ice maiden'.

PortofinoRevisited · 02/02/2014 23:41

I watched the Lying program this afternoon. I know it is an aside from all this, but listening to the voice tapes of Maxine Carr when they told her of the evidence against Ian Huntley...I feel so sorry for her. Her life is fucked because she fell in love with wrong person. Who abused her totally and utterly.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 23:48

i don't know much about Maxine Carr though I seem to recall that a lot of people assumed she was involved.

PortofinoRevisited · 03/02/2014 00:05

She wasnt involved at all. She was in an abusive realationship with him and gave him an alibi. She said she was upstairs in the house when he talked to the girls outside. She wasn't even in the county.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 03/02/2014 00:07

horrible. the media has a lot to answer for.

LedareAnsley · 03/02/2014 00:16

I've just watched, "The Lying Game" and it was a load of bollocks. Un-scientific and contradictory. Easy to look at convicted people and say retrospectively that their body language was dodgy.

And to say that the McCanns were 100% innocent based on one clip. Innocent of WHAT exactly? It was a much more complex case than that.

I would love to know the credentials of the "experts" involved Hmm

LithaR · 03/02/2014 00:50

I think she's guilty. Something just doesn't seem right about her.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 03/02/2014 00:51

unfortunately, that's the only argument anyone can offer when there's no solid proof Litha.

prh47bridge · 03/02/2014 01:02

The number of people on this thread willing to condemn Knox on the basis that "something just doesn't seem right about her" or similar shows why our supposed "innocent until proven guilty" system in the UK still manages to regularly convict innocent people. Continental courts, of course, generally operate to a different standard.

To say that someone is guilty of a crime we need proof. Not just some odd behaviour on their part or a feeling that "something doesn't seem right". Hard evidence. And that is what is lacking in this case.