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To ask if you think that Knox is guilty?

656 replies

superstarheartbreaker · 31/01/2014 22:08

I have no idea but it seems that her kissing her boyfriend at the time was seen as suspicious whereas I don't think that this is suspicious at all. DNA is...kissing one's lover.no. It's not even that inappropriate to kiss ones lover in the face of tragedy.
Didn't she do cartwheels though?

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TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 09:37

The window was broken from the outside. There's no disagreement on that from anyone.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 09:38

Who examined the scene and knows about such things i mean.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 09:39

also it's entirely possible that evidence was tampered with. the bra clasp wasn't found for 6 weeks.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 09:41

In one way i'm glad we don't have similar documentation available from British trials because i would never get any work done, but it's really made me see how the media make mugs of us all.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 09:41

In one way i'm glad we don't have similar documentation available from British trials because i would never get any work done, but it's really made me see how the media make mugs of us all.

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 02/02/2014 09:42

after reading about Elisa Claps/Danilo Restivo I would struggle to have any faith in the Italian justice system. Appalling corruptness.

Balistapus · 02/02/2014 09:46

The glass was found on top of the room contents. It can't have been broken before the ransacking.

The defence always claim the evidence has been tampered with, this doesn't mean it was.

Innocent people don't tend to blame other innocent people for a crime.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 09:47

I've always thought trial by jury is pretty flawed but trial by politically interested judges is absolutely crazy. I would be much happier to put my freedom in the hands of a bunch of randoms if similar happened to me as it did AK and RS.

Welshwabbit · 02/02/2014 10:10

Snowqueen, I haven't read the documents to which you refer, but what you say about the gulf between what is in the official court documents and what is reported entirely reflects my own experience of how trials are reported in the UK. I do employment law so my own cases aren't nearly as interesting as this, but on the few occasions one of them has been reported, I can barely recognise them. The newspaper reports bear almost no resemblance to what actually happened. You only need to look at the various (completely contradictory) web links that have been posted on this thread to see that you can use bits of the evidence to support virtually any theory you like.

Of course that doesn't mean people can't have an opinion unless they've sat through the whole thing. People can have opinions on anything they like. But we shouldn't be kidding ourselves that an opinion based on having read a website or a book with an agenda is a properly informed one.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 10:10

Ok, the break in could have been staged. Indicating that Amanda arranged with someone she'd never met, by a means never uncovered, to meet at the house so he could murder someone she'd known for 3 weeks who she got on pretty well with.

Or the glass could have got tossed about whilst RG was ransacking the room.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 10:15

That's the thing Welsh, it's a totally prosaic crime. The only thing that makes it interesting is the conjecture and lies.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 10:18

Comparatively, it's as if the police here had continued to insist on Joanna Yeate's landlord's guilt after having found the real killer and sold it as some gay sex competition or some such. The media would have loved that.

Nerfmother · 02/02/2014 10:28

I think it's fairly well known Amanda and Meredith didn't get on quite well at all. The staged break in was that the room was ransacked before the breaking of the window so glass was on top of stuff not under.
I don't think either of them murdered her at all, but I think Amanda knows much more.

Balistapus · 02/02/2014 10:31

I think it's more likely that she was involved, but there was found to be not enough evidence to convict at the appeal, than her being innocent.

There are - quite rightly - many, many guilty people found not guilty in court.

Balistapus · 02/02/2014 10:35

She hasn't behaved like an innocent party, in my view. She's behaved like someone trying to cover something up. It's like when someone has a police interview and they say "no comment" to every question. It rather suggests that they don't want to get tripped up by their own lies so I don't believe an innocent person would ever do that.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 10:37

Maybe the guilty / not guilty thing stands for uk or us trials, but the judges in this latest trial knew that their verdict would not be the final say. Much easier on the old conscious to get wrong for political reasons if you know no-one's going to prison.

LemongrassGinger · 02/02/2014 10:37

It's hard to say what normal behaviour is in these circs. I imagine (with no way of knowing for sure) that if I were innocent in her shoes I'd be feeling a lot of anger towards the kerchers at this point, that they're so convinced she is guilty and so determined that justice is AK going down. That would seriously make me angry if I were in her shoes.

Timetoask · 02/02/2014 10:37

I think Amanda and RS are innocent, the Italian police made a mess of it and now don't want to admit it.

I think the tabloid press decided to hate her and has managed to convince everybody that because she didn't cry and kissed her boyfriend then she must be the killer.

I also think, that both of them were high on drugs and probably don't remember what they did that night very well, they were scared of admitting that and this its he reason why they are in this mess.

Another reason why I think drugs should never be legalised, they can destroy lives in more than one way.

FreudiansSlipper · 02/02/2014 10:39

i am interested to know what Knox apparently knows but it is not letting on as it has been mentioned over and over again on this thread. That Guede planned to go and see Kercher, she heard her being attacked but disliked her so much though fuck it let her have it, she discussed with Guede that Kercher needed to be taught a lesson and they planned he teach her a lesson and it went wrong

why would she know more about what was going on in a mans head who attacked then murdered Kercher

but of course it sounds more sensational fits in with her being a nasty manipulative, drug taking, sexually adventurous woman who has an interested in violence that the press like to make her out to be

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 10:39

Well, they'd known each other for a few weeks and been out together alone at least twice. They were at a concert together about a week before when AK met RS.

TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 10:40

Or maybe she knows as much of the crime as i do?

LemongrassGinger · 02/02/2014 10:41

thanks snowqueen

HoleySocksBatman · 02/02/2014 10:44

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TheSnowQueen · 02/02/2014 10:45

I've been resisting doing this but i know i helped change a couple of people's minds last time this came up, so here i am.

MarvellousMechanicalMouseOrgan · 02/02/2014 10:47

Not wanting to be an arse, Timetoask, but that's a bit of a circular argument about legalising drugs. Surely if what they'd taken was legal then by your argument they would have been able to admit they were high and then they wouldn't be in this mess.

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