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Scalded son, mother punishing grandparent, is this reasonable?

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vr6lee · 09/01/2014 09:50

My mother had an accident with my son, to cut a long story short the kettle ended up being pulled from the worktop by my son while in her arms, this ended up scalding the bottom of his leg and top of his foot ending in a skin graft.
My mother is devastated and has really struggled with whats happened. But my girlfriend is not helping at all. She has said she doesn't want her near my son again and will never look after him again. I have talked her round and my mun has been able to see my son a few times. There is tension between my girlfriend and my mother now so I have offered to take my son up to my mothers so she can see him as she really does love him to bits. But my girlfriend has poo poo'ed this and says the only way she is seeing him is at our house when she is present.
I think this is undermining me as a father as I have said I would be present at all times just to ease her mind, but I can now only come to one conclusion and that she is doing this to punish my mother by making it as difficult as possible for her to see her grandson.

My question to other mothers is do you think this is fair behavior or is she being very harsh.

Thanks in advance for any opinions.

Lee

OP posts:
SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 09/01/2014 11:10

You can do whatever you want with your child and its an accident. It only matters when its a MIL that does it

THERhubarb · 09/01/2014 11:11

There but for the Grace of God go I.......

I admit I've taken risks with the children when they were babies. We all have. I know mums who have changed babies on tables, not realising they could roll until they rolled off the table when their back was turned.

A friend of mine didn't realise her dd could reach the window latch from her cot, climb out and open the window. She didn't realise until she saw her dd fall from a first floor window onto the concrete below. Luckily her dd was ok apart from a large lump on her head, but when she was sobbing myself and the other mums from the baby group all comforted her, we never told her how stupid she was. Because we all knew that none of us were perfect and we all made mistakes.

If your girlfriend had made this mistake, would you let her look after your son again? Of course you would.

It's so easy to say "I would never do this" but the truth is that I don't know a single parent who has never made a mistake.

We all know that children should never go near pans or kettles as they have a tendency to grab, but we sometimes, erroneously, think that are in control of the situation, that they are far enough out of reach.

It was a mistake with unfortunate consequences, but it's not as if your mother has a habit of doing this? She didn't neglect her grandson, she didn't deliberately put him in harms way, she made a gross error of judgement that she has been truly punished for and will forever remember when she sees the scar on his leg. Just as my friend will forever be reminded of the accident her dd had with the little scar she has on her forehead, yet no-one threatened to take her dd away from her or suggested she was an irresponsible parent. Her love for her dd was apparent. She made an error of judgement, as your mother did.

I agree that your girlfriend, for now, is still acting out of shock and yes of course she blames your mum for the scarring your son now has. In her eyes she would never ever have done this and you can't tell her any different.

She will calm down though and the shock will subside.

Has your mother tried all she can to make it up to her? Have they spoken at length? It might be an idea to have your mother round to your house perhaps with her parents too so that there are other people around to diffuse the situation and offer more reasonable responses. Your mother can then stress how sorry she is and it would be helpful if she agreed to some of your girlfriend's conditions, so your gf can see that your mother is genuinely trying to make it up to her.

She can also go on a First Aid course for children, that might put your gf's mind at rest that your mother is now fully aware of all the dangers that children can face and knows what to do in case of an emergency. Would she sign up to such a course? Could you find out about that for her?

Give it time. Be sympathetic to both parties. Your gf will come round eventually. It's a heck of a shock and to be honest, when something like that happens to one of your children, it's only natural to want to blame someone. You have to direct your anger somewhere. But trust me, that anger does pass and you do start to see things more reasonably.

Good luck with it all.

QuintessentialShadows · 09/01/2014 11:12

So who is pushing for this grandmother to spend time alone wigh baby at her house now?

Is it Lee? His mother?

Who is making this issue into a battle in the aftermath of this incident?

I am loathe to call this an accident as I fail to see how anybody could accidentally position themselves next ho a boiling kettle with a baby on their arm?
Was she planning on making her cuppa and carrying it around with baby still on her arm?

Foxsticks · 09/01/2014 11:13

I think you might be right pictish Lee had gone very quiet.

I'm amazed at how many made up details are being flung around. We have no idea if the boy is a baby or a toddler, or if the house is a deathtrap or not. Or if th MIL has a lax attitude to safety or not.

I've held my dd whilst near a kettle. So have all my friends and family members, we must all be dreadfully careless sorts. Must get SS around and draw up some risk assessments.

LtEveDallas · 09/01/2014 11:14

OP HAS NOT SAID HE WANTS HIS MOTHER TO HAVE ACCESS TO HIS CHILD ALONE

OP WANTS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE HIS OWN CHILD TO HIS MOTHERS HOUSE - OP WILL BE THERE

GIRLFRIEND SAYS NO - ONLY IN HER OWN HOUSE WITH HER THERE

Seems like everyone is purposely missing this. Why are the girlfriends 'wants' more important than the OPs 'wants'?

MoominsYonisAreScary · 09/01/2014 11:15

No one is pushing for the grandmother to spend time alone with the baby

TalkativeJim · 09/01/2014 11:15

She was carrying him with one arm then, while doing stuff at the kitchen worktop with a just-boiled kettle in reach?

That's awful. That is an UTTERLY avoidable accident and if I were your partner I'd be horrified and be feeling guilty and angry at myself for allowing my child to be cared for by someone who thought that was an acceptable risk.

There is no way I would allow her to care for him unsupervised again. If you disagree with that, you need to have a serious think about why your mother's hurt feelings are more important than your son's safety. I would not consider your mum capable of keeping him safe from reading that. If you do - why is that? Because she is your mum? Do you think your mum's feelings and opinions are more important than those of your partner and your son's mother, when it comes to your son - her own child?

Because they really really should not be - in fact, your mother should be way down the list. And I am getting the feeling that that isn't the case. Be honest with yourself - what is the dynamic here? Because yes, although your partner is completely correct and UTTERLY within her rights to refuse to allow your mother to do childcare again, she is not being what most people would see as 'reasonable' in her refusing to allow contact except at your own home, with her there. What that says is - when it comes to your mother, she doesn't trust you to back her up on child-related issues.

Is that the case? Is the dynamic such that your mother typically has her own ideas about how your child should be cared for/what is safe/what he can eat/play with, etc., and when your partner disagrees, your mother sulks/rolls eyes/ignores your partner's wishes? And you, instead of backing up your partner and co-parent, you instead start saying stuff like 'Oh don't upset Mum/she raised me ok/she's only being helpful'?

If that's the case, then your partner's actions here are ENTIRELY reasonable. She wishes to keep her and your baby safe. She does not trust you to keep to her wish that your mother not be left in sole care of your child if she herself isn't there to police it, as you've shown that you will defer to your mother.

If that's the case, then do you know what? She isn't undermining your parenting - you've done that yourself. Your immediate family isn't your mum. It's your partner and your joint baby. If you want her to be able to trust your parenting without a second thought - then you need to absolutely be a member of your own immediate family, not a person on loan from his mum.

If that's truly, really not the case - then your partner is being unreasonable.

MommyBird · 09/01/2014 11:19

It wasn't just the once she did it.
We had no clue untill the doctor mentioned it. She wasn't seriously ill btw, but she was fairly poorly.

Accidents do happen i am aware of that.
But this MIL was holding a baby, holding a kettle of boiling water and the little thing needed skin grafts.
Baby + Boiling water. It's common sense.

HavantGuard · 09/01/2014 11:20

If it happened to your child it's natural that you'd be very wary of person X who was holding the baby when it happened, whoever that was.

SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 09/01/2014 11:20

She was carrying him with one arm then, while doing stuff at the kitchen worktop with a just-boiled kettle in reach

Please tell me why that is awful. Many people including myself have done it.

curlew · 09/01/2014 11:20

I repeat. I shut my baby's hand in the car door and broke his finger. Would my Dp have been justified in saying I could never look after him alone again?

HavantGuard · 09/01/2014 11:21

And if it happened when you were holding your baby you'd hate and blame yourself.

sleepyhead · 09/01/2014 11:22

The op wants his mother to see his dc at her house under his supervision.

Nowhere does it say that he wants his mother to see the dc unsupervised, or that he's planning to work towards that.

It's an awful thing to happen, but it's unreasonable to have this lack of trust in the child's father, unless there's a back story we don't know about.

SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 09/01/2014 11:22

I simply would not be wary unless it was done on purpose.

It was an accident. Same reason my mum didn't act this way when similar happened to my brother while in nannas care (her MIL)

Because it was an accident.

SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 09/01/2014 11:23

Yes I would blame myself but I wouldn't stop myself been around him

maddy68 · 09/01/2014 11:23

How many of us have walked around with a baby on there hip doing every day tasks. All of us!!
It was an accident!!
Could have happened to anyone. Obviously she had an oversight in The change of height of the baby while being carried. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT

I see no reason to question the safety of the baby in subsequent visits

TryDrawing · 09/01/2014 11:23

It must be nice to be able to be totally logical all the time but most of us don't have that luxury. Most of us, in the face of our dc suffering severe injury, freak the fuck out

I say again: your gf is not punishing your mother; she is terrified that your child will be hurt again.

For whatever reason, she doesn't think that you have the same concerns about your mother's attitude to safety. She trusts you to keep your child safe, she just can't trust you to keep an eye on your mother at all times.

Reassurring your gf will be the quickest and easiest way to resolve this for all of you.

SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 09/01/2014 11:24

Maddy No, it appears on a couple of us have and its awful.

LtEveDallas · 09/01/2014 11:24

But this MIL was holding a baby, holding a kettle of boiling water

NO SHE WASN'T.

OP says "the kettle ended up being pulled from the worktop by my son while in her arms"

NOWHERE does the OP say that his mother was holding the kettle. Nor does OP say that it was his mother that boiled the kettle. Nor does OP say that his mother was doing anything other than holding the baby - she may have only just walked into her own kitchen when someone else was making a cuppa. Or should MILs NEVER hold their GC, or NEVER walk whilst holding their DC, or NEVER go into a kitchen with DC?

Is that just MILs or should the same rules apply to mothers, fathers, parents?

Foxsticks · 09/01/2014 11:24

I've confessed too SP, I genuinely have never seen anyone make a point of putting down a kettle when holding a child, I'm surprised that "modern mothers" would never go near a kettle with a child.

HorizontalRunningOnly · 09/01/2014 11:24

How long ago was this and how old was baby? I can imagine I would feel similar to be honest to start with and she may just need time to calm down and re build the trust after such a scary event.

TryDrawing · 09/01/2014 11:25

And thank you steppemum :)

curlew · 09/01/2014 11:26

I repeat. I shut my baby's hand in the car door and broke his finger. Would my Dp have been justified in saying I could never look after him alone again?

SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 09/01/2014 11:27

LtEve people are very good at reading things that aren't there.

Foxsticks · 09/01/2014 11:27

And just to add to Eve's excellent post. NOWHERE has it been said that the child is a baby!

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