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Billiam · 01/01/2014 10:52

Lately DH and me have not had much sex. His libido is much lower than mine. Last couple of years his interest dropped to nothing. Talked lots and things have got better, but he said he did not want to feel he had to have sex a certain amount. But be said he would like it maybe once a month. Not enough for me, but I don't feel I can say this because it sounds like I am asking for a rota. Don't understand how he can know how often he will want it. I am afraid he just doesn't really want it at all but has decided he has to and has chosen a number he can put up with. Aibu

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Writerwannabe83 · 02/01/2014 22:16

Do you genuinely believe the problem lies with you then dubs - I.e you aren't attractive enough for him?

I used to feel like that but somewhere along the line my train of thought shifted and now I know it's some problem that he has, nothing to do with me. I think that having this frame is mind is what makes it semi bearable.

YouSirName · 02/01/2014 22:17

Not sure if the male perspective is wanted but...

Though not in a relationship at the minute, in a previous long term one (6yrs - is that long?) we had a similar issue for about 18months and we didn't talk about it, or certainly not in a way to overcome it. Strangely enough it was resolved by removing any pressure/obligation/stress from the situation. If you can reintroduce physical closeness without intimacy (cuddling in front of the telly or spooning in bed, washing the other's back in the bath), not expecting things to progress further,you might, in my experience, bring things back into line. We re-learnt that touching each other was lovely and over a matter of months it became missed when we didn't and it was at that point that things moved forward. We were together for a few years after this and the sex was the one thing we both missed afterwards (on most other matters we were at loggerheads)

It would be foolish to think all relationships were roughly the same, this is just one person's experience but hope it might be of some use.

annabelamie · 02/01/2014 22:18

In answer to your question Writer - I don't think about him, I usually imagine myself with a stranger, in a sexy scenario, I usually am a made up person rather than "me". God a counsellor would have a field day with that.
anyone else? I'm intrigued.

Writerwannabe83 · 02/01/2014 22:20

anna - I know what you mean about the underwear. I was walking around the bedroom the other day in my not very attractive pregnancy pants (currently 28 weeks) and DH said, "I can't wait to see you in nice underwear again...." My instant thought was, 'you never showed any interest in me regardless of what underwear I wore!' but instead I said nothing and just left the room. In hindsight I wish I'd responded to see what his reaction would have been. In the past he had made comments about how he likes matching, sexy underwear sets but even when I wore them I got nothing from him so I just stopped bothering.

annabelamie · 02/01/2014 22:20

yoursirname - male perspective is always interesting, thanks for your input, I think intimacy is really important.

TheButterHalf · 02/01/2014 22:25

Writer, it is a long wait, but the NHS in the UK do have a service that basically counsel you and your partner starting with the Sensate Method and looking to improve other anxiety and mental health challenges that are often a struggle for us men to acknowledge and treat.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 02/01/2014 22:25

Well he was fine with everyone before me, and fine with me for a while so most of the time yes, I do think its me, I have seriously fucked up somewhere along the line... put on weight, (I have given him 4 children though!) quite a shitty mental illness, but the dwindle started before dc and illness.. so that cant be it totally. the not knowing what it is drives me crazy tbh. the best I get out of him is 'I don't know' when asked whats changed. He says he loves me, its nothing to do with anything I have done etc... but then back to 'I don't know!' grrrr!!!

He seems to have little drive for anything or anyone though, doesn't really fancy celebs or porn or, well, anything from what I can tell. It like he has decided to be happy without much of a sex life and I am expected to go along with it.

I would rather believe it had nothing to do with me at all, but sex stopped being important about 6 months into our relationship, he had other relationships that lasted a few years each and he still had sex with them... so it must be me I spose.

TheButterHalf · 02/01/2014 22:27

YouSirName,im just starting, but sounds similar to what you did, has the treatment proved to be long lasting?

InSpaceNooneCanHearYouScream · 02/01/2014 22:30

YouSir is exactly right- bring back intimate touching without pressure. I think men in particular find it very hard to regain intimacy once it's gone. Too much pressure on them. I think anyone whose partner has a higher sex drive than them realises quite soon that they are under pressure to perform a lot. And that can put the damper on it completely

annabelamie · 02/01/2014 22:35

To all the women in no-sex relationships, do your partners masturbate do you know? Sorry if this has been covered already.

Writerwannabe83 · 02/01/2014 22:35

When I first met my partner he went out of his way to give the impression he was a bit of a scallywag, a ladies man etc - 'boasting' about how many girls he'd slept with etc. He told me that with one of his previous exes he'd had sex with her 12 times in one day, and so when he met his next girlfriend they had to do it 13 times in one day as she felt put out. I didn't believe a word of it and still don't - it absolutely stunk of the theory "Those who talk about it the most are the ones who do it the least". When we used to argue about our lack of sex I always bought up these two exes, asking him how he thinks it makes me feel to know he will have sex 12/13 times with those girls but can't bring himself to do it with me at all. Like I said, I don't believe he did it and only bring it up in the desperate hope he will admit he lied and that will lead on to him telling me why he lied and what his actual issue with sex is.

With regards to Counselling, there would be no point. He acts as though there is no problem at all with our sex life, he just thinks we are 'out of the habit'. I know it's more than that though and so does he really - but if he refuses to acknowledge it then what can I do?

Writerwannabe83 · 02/01/2014 22:36

anna - I don't know if DH masturbates. If he does then it will be very, very rare as unless he is at work, he is with me. As I said earlier, the only reason I get to do it so much is because I just wait for him to fall asleep Grin

YouSirName · 02/01/2014 22:38

TheButter, I would be lying if I said it returned to the fireworks that are present at the start of most sexual relationships. It was certainly better and it proved easier to discuss issues once the ball was in motion (sorry).

Pretending that there's a panacea might be a hiding to nothing though again, that's just my own thoughts.

Hope the original poster is finding some of the guiding comments useful. Just ignore the ranting ones!

BabyDubsEverywhere · 02/01/2014 22:39

What if the intimacy is something you never lost...
We talk about everything, we laugh, we cuddle, kiss, (he would like to kiss more, I don't actually like kissing that much tbh) touch, tickle, stroke... its getting it further than that that is the problem. A couple of years ago when I was still inclined I would be suggestive when this tickling etc was occurring... as soon as I did all touching would cease and a 'not tonight' response.

With all due respect I am sick of being intimate, its turned insipid now, I have started to recoil, it all feels a bit pointless. If he isn't willing to fuck me why should I be intimate with him. Its a pathetic point to get to but its where I am now after so much rejection and hurt.

I really resent him for doing this to us.

annabelamie · 02/01/2014 22:40

Grin same. my DH said he doesn't really anymore. I don't know if he's telling the truth as he clammed up when I asked the question, as he does with any sex related conversation.

nickymanchester · 02/01/2014 22:42

I went through a lot of the same issues with my DH over the course of about five years after the birth of DD2. I can only speak to my own experience as someone who has come out the other side of this relatively unscathed.

This was my own personal experience and it may not be relevant to anyone else.

At the time it was almost impossible to get dh to talk about what he was feeling and thinking and it was only much later that I actually understood what he was going through.

It was only gradually that I noticed the fall off in frequency and I went through all the feelings of self-doubt that others here have already mentioned.

Since then we have been able to talk about his feelings more openly, although I still haven't got to the bottom of what really caused his lack of interest. However, one thing that I found really enlightening and just hadn't even thought about when we were going through this was that he said that many times he was aware that we were going long periods without DTD but that he was afraid to initiate sex.

Now, before you think he has hang ups about sex, that definitely isn't the case. What he was afraid of was that I would start questioning him afterwards. He was afraid that I would ask him the obvious questions as to why it had taken so long and he didn't know himself why his libido had declined and he was afraid of what my reaction would be if he had no answer for me. This led to a vicious circle where he would feel even worse as time went on as he became even more worried about what I would say or ask him if we were to have sex and so it became even harder for him to initiate sex.

What proved the turning point for us was when I bought a book called The Art of Sensual Massage. We had always been close, despite not having sex and he had always given me back massages and foot massages etc. But this book is about doing massages properly and in a very ''sensual'' way.

He became really good at this. From here I encouraged him to spend more of the massage with his hands where it felt best for me. Although I did need to reassure him that this wasn't me trying to pressurise him into having sex.

From here we moved to much more overtly erotic massages and we got some good ideas from a website called www.hegre-art.co.uk - warning this site has nudity on it - and I would say to DH ''Oh can you massage me like that?''. One thing that I learned about from that site was a vibrator called a ''magic wand'' - have a google of it or look for it on Lovehoney. Oh boy does that thing work.SmileBlush

While we were doing all this DH would sometimes get aroused. Not so much at first, but more often as time went on. I would reach for him and, initially, he would back off thinking that I was pressuring him for sex. But after reassuring him that I wasn't he became a lot more relaxed and our massage sessions gradually became a lot more ''mutual''.

From here it was a gradual transition to including penetrative sex in our massage sessions.

To this day I still don't know what caused my DH to lose his interest in sex during this time, the most I've got from him is about the vicious circle that he felt himself trapped in that I mentioned above.

Well, that was our story. I know everyone is different but I would bet that most DH's want to give their wives pleasure but may feel intimidated that making a move after such a long time would lead to all sorts of questions from you that they don't have answers for.

But they still want to give you pleasure and a full body massage could be a non-threatening way of starting the process

vanillavelvet · 02/01/2014 22:42

Anna, in response to your question, I suppose he stopped initiating it (as did I in all honesty) as our 'goal' had been met. I didn't really think about it too much initially as I was caught up in the excitement of being pregnant.

We used to have a great sex life during the first couple of years of being together. It dwindled a bit after that, but not enough for me to be concerned. Once a fortnight suited me fine. We both had stressful jobs and worked long hours.

I guess it became apparent after I got pregnant for the first time that things had changed. I've heard of men feeling uncomfortable dtd with a pregnant partner for fear of 'hurting the baby', so I put it down to that. But things never got back on track again. Not until we started TTC again 2 years later.

I guess I should have tried harder not to let things slip the second time, I didn't really think about it until months had passed again. And it just gets so difficult broach it after a period of time.

I truly don't think he's having an affair. As others DHs seem to be, he is also affectionate, cuddles in front of the TV, wants to hold my hand in public, hen peck kisses Grin...

Maybe now I've become a mum I am no longer a sexual object?

Counselling would be good, eh?

BabyDubsEverywhere · 02/01/2014 22:43

Anna, my DH says he doesn't, he has no reason to lie about it tbh. I would be over the bloody moon if he did!

nickymanchester · 02/01/2014 22:52

Just wanted to add, the hegre-art website can be a bit confusing so here is a link to the massage part:-

www.hegre-art.co.uk/massage

InSpaceNooneCanHearYouScream · 02/01/2014 22:52

BabyDubs how about Nicky's approach of erotic massages? That's exactly the sort of thing that helped us

InSpaceNooneCanHearYouScream · 02/01/2014 22:54

A lot of the husbands may well be trapped in the vicious circle of pressure that Nicky mentions

InSpaceNooneCanHearYouScream · 02/01/2014 22:55

Another thing- some men are put off by worrying about possible pregnancy. My hubby was.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 02/01/2014 23:03

I think I will try and broach it with dh, it cant make things any worse can it Grin and the pressure thing.

The monster under the bed analogy is best match to my DH I think. He is fine until he remembers about it.. while its tucked under there and hes not thinking about sex its okay, so tickling, touching, massaging etc all fine until either one of us does something to remind him of the monster (sex!) When that happens the fight or flight thing must take over I spose - flight seems to win more often than not.

Prettykitty111 · 02/01/2014 23:16

Nicky that's really interesting and a good approach. I think sometimes men can bottle things up as they have less of a support network than us. Anna I know he masturbates as he works away from long periods 6-8 weeks plus and he will always have a play before he comes back e cause he says he doesn't want to explode like a 16 year old on his first time! Last time he came back I had to point out there's no point if we don't then DTD!!! writer nope it's usually someone else, his lack of sex drive or more likely lack of communication turns me off!

InSpaceNooneCanHearYouScream · 02/01/2014 23:37

Good luck BabyDubs