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Billiam · 01/01/2014 10:52

Lately DH and me have not had much sex. His libido is much lower than mine. Last couple of years his interest dropped to nothing. Talked lots and things have got better, but he said he did not want to feel he had to have sex a certain amount. But be said he would like it maybe once a month. Not enough for me, but I don't feel I can say this because it sounds like I am asking for a rota. Don't understand how he can know how often he will want it. I am afraid he just doesn't really want it at all but has decided he has to and has chosen a number he can put up with. Aibu

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womblesofwestminster · 04/01/2014 14:47

Purplemonster

Presumably he does some domestic chores too, and you still want to fuck him.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 14:48

Purple that was me, I'm sorry that the analogy works for you too :(

I often think if i was working, if got to go out and socialise more, if we had hobbies or a joint one, if if if! I have hope that we are in a very long rut - but tbh even if we are its irrelevant - it started long before any such rut could have existed!

Chunderella · 04/01/2014 14:59

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Writerwannabe83 · 04/01/2014 15:33

What are the levels of affection like in all your relationships? Is that all present and genuine or non-existent?

BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 16:01

Mine is great - he is very caring, loving, always thinking about me. He likes to cuddle and kiss (I have never been one for kissing though tbh..) lots of touching and tickling, holding hands etc... All seems very genuine, but usually all him to me rather than other way around.

I think my comparative lack of affection towards him stems from loss of confidence again. So again the sex thing. He doesn't like certain parts of him to be touched at all, he doesn't like massage, he doesnt like being tickled or stroked, hes not into blow jobs of hand jobs... Well he doesnt like those things from anyway. I can't do a lot to him, that has spilled over to not knowing what to do with him at all physically.

What have i turned into ffs!

Darkesteyes · 04/01/2014 16:16

DarkesteyesWed 11-Sep-13 14:36:40
I wrote this last year.

My Mother, Misogyny, Marriage and Me.
? - Anon

Id like to start by saying thank you for this opportunity to speak out about this. I am an almost 40 year old woman currently living in a sexless marriage.

I met my then future husband in 1992 when I was 19 and he was 42. Being quite young I didn’t have a frame of reference for what sex should be like so when it was just basic penetration and nothing else I truly thought that that was just how it was.

In 1996 he stopped wanting to be with me in that way.

I turned to food. I gained a lot of weight. We were married in 1998.

I was brought up in an extremely closed household and as a Catholic ( a religion I rejected long ago) but I was taught growing up that marriage was what you did. I remember a conversation that took place between my mother and me when I was a teen. I was sounding off about things and said I never wanted to get married. She replied “Well what are you going to do then - become a nun?” The message that was frequently sold to me was that you did one or the other. I was also quite naïve for 25 and on my wedding day I still thought that the situation would somehow “right itself”.

And I still had sexual feelings for him at that point.

Over the next few years I gained a lot of weight. In 2002 while working in a sex chatline office I started a healthy eating plan while attending a diet class and over the next eighteen months I managed to lose ten stone. I began to feel incredibly lonely. Its not just the sexual act or the lack of it that is missing in situations like this. It is the loss of affection and emotional closeness that leaves the relationship too.

In June 2003 the day after my 30th birthday I started a new job. It was in that job I met Adam. I began to feel very attracted to him and the feeling was mutual. I asked Stuart to go to counselling. He didn’t want to and said it wasn’t worth it.

I began an affair with *Adam which lasted until January 2008. It was the most eye opening, passionate and exciting time of my life. I finally found out what making love could be like and how wonderful it could be.

I once made the mistake of confiding in my mother. I did this after someone else told me “She's your mother. Shell understand." My mother told me to stop acting like a whore. I explained that Stuart hadn’t touched me for 7 years and she intimated that was because I was having an affair. But at that point I had only been seeing Adam for 4 months.

I now know that the terminology for what my mother was doing is called gaslighting.

Then she began crying and banging her hand on the arm of the chair demanding that I stay with my husband. It was emotional abuse and blackmail. My mother comes from Italy and was brought up in a different culture. Shaming women for fulfilling their own needs seems to be part of the culture. I do realise though that this may be just my experience.

I should also say at this point that Stuart (my husband) is unaware that this conversation with my mother took place even to this day. I continued my affair with Adam.

In 2006 *Stuart had a massive heart attack and nearly died. He spent over a week in hospital. Just after one visit the staff nurse took me aside and said to me “He does love you you know. In his own way”. It wasn’t until later on that I was told by another professional that this was a manipulative thing for him to do that I started to wonder why on earth he could talk to a stranger when he couldn’t even talk to me. To this day I still don’t know what he said to that nurse.

I broke off my affair with Adam for a short while to care for Stuart when he came out of hospital.

I carried on with this dual life for about 18 months but something shifted with *Adam in that time. He became verbally abusive towards me. He would shout at me and lose his temper out of the blue. I ended the affair in January 2008. Even though there was bitterness towards the end losing such a big part of my life overnight nearly broke me.

I turned back to food and gained back half the weight id lost.

I coped most of the time and became depressed at other times. And 2 years ago came the catalyst.

In 2011 my parents had an argument over a jewellery receipt my mother found in my fathers room. (when I moved out of my parents home in 1992 my mum moved into my room). A realisation dawned on me that I have ended up in a very similar situation to my dad. I've realised that I've fought so hard not to be like my mum that I've ended up like my dad.

I don’t want to get into my seventies and be in that situation.

I became incredibly depressed and joined a social networking site when I saw a thread on there about women in my situation. It is shocking how common this is. I really thought that this was rare and that I was totally alone. There are more severe cases than mine where there is SEVERE emotional abuse if a woman dares to raise the issue of her partner's choice of lack of intimacy. I started posting on the feminism boards of the same site and discovered feminism at the late age of 38. From talking to other women on forums about this and very similar situations I discovered a very sinister undercurrent in society with regards to this issue. It seems that when it comes to intimacy issues, it is almost always the woman who gets blamed whether it is the man or the woman who is losing or has lost interest -- there is an interesting article which I spotted on the Jezebel website just today which touches upon this issue.

Before 1991 it was perfectly legal for a man to rape his wife. Not only is this a horrific and abhorrent crime, just the fact that this was legal before that date proves that men's needs are more highly prioritised than women's. Thankfully this is now illegal but when it comes to men's needs trumping women's not much has changed. There is STILL an assumption in society that women don’t want or need intimacy or sex . This is absolute rubbish.

I am now back where I was before. I have some weight to lose so have embarked on another healthy eating plan. I feel lonely and lost. I have to lock my needs away. The heart attack left my husband partially disabled. So now he can't be intimate but in the ten years prior to the heart attack he didn’t want to be.

The few people that I have confided in tell me im lucky -- because hes not hitting me or raping me. I used to agree with them.

But since discovering feminism I now disagree with what some of my friends have told me. Yes he's not hitting or raping me. But I am supposed to be grateful? Really???!!! There are many women in this situation whose needs are being ignored and sidelined and if we dare to speak up about it we are slut-shamed or told we don’t need sex (as a GP once told me) -- apparently I don’t need sex if I'm not trying to get pregnant.

There are not many platforms for women in this situation to talk safely about this. This needs to change. I cannot talk to my mother because of her attitude towards women which may come from her culture. Last year when the truth about Jimmy Savile emerged my mother said that the victims should be ashamed for going on TV and talking about it. I was absolutely appalled by her attitude but unfortunately not surprised. I have grown up being exposed to this kind of misogyny and victim-blaming all my life.

But now im eating healthily again and seem to have confronted and dealt with my comfort eating. I don’t know what the future holds but hopefully it will involve me being mentally and emotionally stronger

Darkesteyes · 04/01/2014 16:18

BalistapusSat 04-Jan-14 13:45:39

It isn't emotional abuse. They just don't want to do it.

If a woman said she loved her husband, but had no desire for sex you wouldn't say she was emotionally abusing him.

I saw a programme about a widower going out dating after being married for 40 years. It turned out that his wife didn't enjoy sex so he hadn't done it for 40 years. His argument was that you married the person in sickness and in health. You don't get to pick and choose their attributes.

And yet its ok to cherry pick the vows that you want to keep and leave/ignore the rest. Interesting!

Darkesteyes · 04/01/2014 16:19

What cherrys h has done IS emotional abuse. Controlling and manipulative.

Darkesteyes · 04/01/2014 16:22

Balista you are wrong.
Quite a while ago someone started a thread in Relationships "i love my husband but dont want sex with him . How do i keep him and dampen his ardour"

She got blasted on there and she DID get told she was emotionally abusing him.

puzzleduck · 04/01/2014 16:25

Refusing Sex = Emotional Abuse Withholding sex in a "loving" relationship is Emotional Abuse. Denying one's partner the bond which cultivates closeness and intimacy with them is Emotional Abuse. Whether their refusal is due to mental illness, passive/aggressive anger or control issues or an underlying reason that even they are not aware of, the act of not even trying to right this wrong is Emotional Abuse. Sex is the glue which holds a relationship/marriage together. It is supposed to be the one thing which separates a couple from just being friends or just being roommates. Denying one's partner sex and sexual intimacy is abuse because it makes their partner feel unwanted, undesired, unworthy, unattractive, unhappy and unfulfilled. It is NOT FAIR. It is NOT WHAT YOU HAD SIGNED UP FOR. It is NOT ACCEPTABLE. If the refuser doesn't try to deal with their reason for inflicting this devastating blow to their partner's psyche, self-esteem and sense of self-worth, then it is just plain CRUEL and SELFISH. It may make their partner question their self-worth, it may cause depression, anxiety, high blood pressure, lessen their ability to think rationally, create a sense of hopelessness and cause them constant worry. It is crippling. It is emotionally painful. It indeed hurts. It drains one's energy, makes them feel like they're fighting a losing battle, and makes them question their own sanity. Again, it is NOT ACCEPTABLE. There has to be a reason; the refused did not cause this. Even if they did, they cannot begin to right the situation if the refuser refuses to even discuss the matter. The refuser withholds sex and that is not fair and is wrong, very wrong. If they have a problem, whether it be a mental or physical issue or personal reason, they should own up to it and try to get it out and into the open. Not discussing the problem only makes it fester and causes additional problems. I realize and appreciate that every relationship is different and has its own dynamics, but one thing which is very real is that denying one's self and their loved one the pleasure, passion, joy and emotional fulfillment of sexual intimacy is indeed a form of Emotional Abuse and it is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Good luck to anyone who is in a sexless relationship/marriage. From my experience, I believe that one can give and give and try to make it work out but it's a no-win situation since there is only one partner who is trying. Eventually one realizes that there is nothing left to give and nothing left to compromise; they have given all that they are capable of and have already compromised themselves too much. If one realizes this and sees the situation for what it truly is, they will feel it in their gut, they will know that enough is enough and they will hopefully get the heck out and move on with THEIR LIFE while they still have love for their self. Sexless Marriage truly sucks.

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Nousernameforme · 04/01/2014 16:38

I did speak to him today I explained how i felt and how i wasnt even sure it was worth bringing it up as i knew how the conversation would go he was under the impression that it was fine as the problem got fixed periodically and i should know that i just have to wait it out.
I told him I have no longer any interest in trying to fix this and if he wants us to work out it is all down to him now. I currently am tired of the constant questioning i do. I cant fix him he has to do this himself
I sent him the thread to read and he has read some i don't know if he finished it but he has gone to bed now where he always goes if he is tired or bored or facing something he doesn't want to deal with sleep is his escape

BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 16:42

"he has gone to bed now where he always goes if he is tired or bored or facing something he doesn't want to deal with sleep is his escape"

God this pisses me off, I can totally relate though. "sleep is his escape" feels quite pertinent also... :(

Oblomov · 04/01/2014 16:46

I have found this thread very hard reading.
I spoke to my GP about my low sex drive.
Some of the things written, about it being emotional abuse, make me even more sad and ashamed.
Is this really how you see it? If you are the affected party? Shit. I didn't realise. Sad

Darkesteyes · 04/01/2014 16:47

Oblomov you have spoken to yr GP about it. A lot of ppl wont even do that.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 16:52

I hadn't looked at it as EA before tbh. For me it has felt like an ultimate betrayal, I could have coped with an affair much better, or even physical abuse. I feel like I have been reduced to something he owns but doesn't want, but doesn't want anyone else to have either. Its selfish and unreasonable. He has seen what it has done to me, I am crushed, I don't know how to respond to his simple touch, i question his motives for any affection shown, it has destroyed me. He knows this, i have told him, he cant fail to have seen the difference. I cant understand how he could have done this to me. I have so little self worth and zero confidence and he has done that.

Actually, yes, that is totally abusive isn't it. Sorry Oblomov.

Writerwannabe83 · 04/01/2014 16:54

oblomov - our anger, upset and frustration stems from the fact that our partners refuse to acknowledge or do anything about their problems. The abuse isn't the problem itself. The abuse is the fact they are knowingly hurting us, destroying our self worth, yet don't care enough to do anything about it.

What you have done is exactly what we all want our partners to do, accept there is a problem and seek help. Good on you for addressing your low sex drive, it can't have been easy x

BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 16:55

Oblomov I wasn't trying to say that you are EA, sorry, you have done something about it! I wouldn't fel all the things i do if i though my DH had even attempted to do something - still frustrated and bitter no doubt, but not everything else as well.

Nousernameforme · 04/01/2014 16:57

I think that when its a woman with a low libido the situation differs slightly from the man with the low libido. If you look on here most of us women have coped with this for years without the men acknowledging the problem. When it has been acknowledged it hasn't been dealt with just swept under a rug where as when it's the other way around after a few months you see threads and posts or women asking what they can do to improve their libido and help their partners understand.
This is a generalisation but holds well for many situations I have seen online

puzzleduck · 04/01/2014 17:08

Women tend to still do it even when they dont want to and are better at getting help.

Writerwannabe83 · 04/01/2014 17:17

Exactly puzzle - the women are expected to just get on with it and not deny their husband their conjugal rights. But flip the coin over and we are just left feeling like shit and scrabbling for any morsel of attention.

I guess when it's the women with the low libidos their partners aren't so concerned as to whether it's a pity/duty fuck or not - just so long as they get sex.

TantrumsandBananas · 04/01/2014 17:18

Me too. Too long a story at this moment to go into. I posted a thread a while ago under another user name, which I got well, opinions on. I decided after 3 years of rejection that I wanted us to sleep in seperate rooms. As a result I have been somewhat happier. Lost alot of weight, confidence self esteem on the up.

However, DH decided to return to my bed (didn't ask) Just announced he was returning to the marital bed. Nothing marital about it. Its like sleeping with a stranger, and has brougt back all the resentment. I hate it. I probably will drip feed I'm sorry. I am struggling so much and it feels really raw at the moment.

I dont think he is having an affair. I do think that he is a classic case of madonna/whore syndrome whatever its called. ALong with a good dose of narcissism.

I have done everything. HE has never even kissed me properly. Just chaste little pecks. I tried to get him interested in foreplay. He laughed.

After his recent Uninvited return, I decided to see what would happen if I approached him in bed, in a nonsexual way, a cuddle. I did, he put his arm round me, squeezed my shoulder and said, you need to go to sleep, you have work tomorrow.

Rejected again.

IT really does make me feel like shit.

Sorry for the bad grammar just getting to grips with new technology.

Going to work, glad for this thread. I will be back.

Darkesteyes · 04/01/2014 17:23

I believe that my husband is asexual because he has never been overly interested in sex, but I was so young and inexperienced when I met him that I didn’t have a great frame of reference. I can see people reading this and thinking “If he is asexual, surely he wouldn’t have had sex with you at the start of your relationship ? My reply would be that many gay men get married and have sex with women and the same is true of asexuals. A gay man hiding his sexuality from his wife and an asexual hiding his sexuality from his wife are two very similar situations. In both cases the man does not want to have sex with his wife.

Society seems to have no trouble believing that women don’t want sex, but they struggle to come to terms with the idea that a man might not want it. This lack of understanding makes women scared to speak out. What woman is going to stick her head above the parapet and say “I live in a sexless marriage” and talk about it frankly and honestly in public. Actually, I can answer that “NONE”. And so women like me who live in sexless marriages continue to suffer in silence.

We feel that we cannot discuss the issue with anyone. We are made to feel that it is our fault. Magazine articles and books on the subject advise women to buy some sexy undies and make more effort with their appearance etc. Though it’s the man who doesn’t want sex, it is the women who are told to make more effort with their looks. If the situation is reversed and it is the woman who doesn’t want to make love, pressure is put on her (marital and societal) to go to the GP to see what is wrong.

Darkesteyes · 04/01/2014 17:27

I tried to get him interested in foreplay. He laughed.

And yet some would say this isnt abuse Xmas Sad

womblesofwestminster · 04/01/2014 17:31

Darkesteyes thanks so much for sharing your story.

Am I right that your mother criticized you because she was the one dishing out a sexless marriage to your father? (it hit a nerve in her).

Do you have a link to that Jezebel article?

The few people that I have confided in tell me im lucky -- because hes not hitting me or raping me.

Erm.... who are these people? Hmm How old are they?

And a GP told you that you don't need sex??! What context was that said in?

womblesofwestminster · 04/01/2014 17:32

Darkesteyes PLEASE do you have a link to that thread??

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