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Billiam · 01/01/2014 10:52

Lately DH and me have not had much sex. His libido is much lower than mine. Last couple of years his interest dropped to nothing. Talked lots and things have got better, but he said he did not want to feel he had to have sex a certain amount. But be said he would like it maybe once a month. Not enough for me, but I don't feel I can say this because it sounds like I am asking for a rota. Don't understand how he can know how often he will want it. I am afraid he just doesn't really want it at all but has decided he has to and has chosen a number he can put up with. Aibu

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Writerwannabe83 · 04/01/2014 12:34

wombles - I know what you mean about questioning whether your DH loves you, I do the same. Although I know he does I can't help but wondering if he does just see me as his best friend - that's what he referred to me as being when he made his Wedding Speech and it has never left my mind. Is it 'real love' if the passion isn't there? Sometimes I look at my DH and think, "Why did he marry me? Would he even notice if I just left?"

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BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 13:00

So I didn't show dh the thread last night... he knows what I have been posting about, I said it would be worth him reading it, he said he would, I asked when, tonight (last night) he said... then he went for a shower and went to bed.

THIS: no matter what we are doing or what we are talking about, in the back of my mind there is always a little voice saying, "Why don't you want to have a sex with me?"

I said earlier in the thread it has turned me into some sort of sex obsessive, sometimes he will ask me what's wrong or what I am thinking about and it takes everything in my power not to scream in his face that he fucking well knows what's wrong with me and why cant he just put me out of my misery and fuck off.

If we did ever split I would never get into a monogamous relationship again. Never! My relationship with my exH was violent and he was EA, but our sex life was great. We had an open relationship and there were never any issues in that department. It was a very fucked up relationship though. But I felt better about myself then than I do now. I had self worth, I valued myself, I was confident I had sound self esteem. The constant rejection, and in my mind game playing, and being reduced to the live in au pair for no pay has seriously battered my psyche.

The saddest thing is that I know my DH loves me more than anyone else could ever love me, he truly adores me. So if he doesn't desire me where does that leave me... I'm 30 this year and on the scrap heap already.

womblesofwestminster · 04/01/2014 13:16

I've just had a shower? WTF

Writerwannabe83 · 04/01/2014 13:21

babydubs - I'm only recently 30, so young and on the scrap heap too. How old is tour partner? Mine is 31 so hardly of an age where you'd think sex drive might dwindle. You sound at the absolute end of your tether, I haven't got to that stage yet but for the last 7 months I've been distracted by the pregnancy and sex hasn't really been at the forefront of my mind. How long have you been with your partner and how long has this behaviour been going on for? Apologies if you have already said, I just can't back skim through all the posts as I'm on an iPad.

womblesofwestminster · 04/01/2014 13:28

Here's an interesting take: what our men are doing could actually be viewed as emotional abuse. I did a google and a lot of the stuff is applicable. I've pasted it here:

"What is Emotional Abuse?
Abuse is any behavior that is designed to control and subjugate another human being"

"Emotional abuse is like brain washing in that it systematically wears away at the victim’s self-confidence, sense of self-worth, trust in their own perceptions, and self-concept."

Types of Emotional Abuse

Denying

Invalidating seeks to distort or undermine the recipient’s perceptions of their world. Invalidating occurs when the abuser refuses or fails to acknowledge reality.

Withholding is another form of denying. Withholding includes refusing to listen, refusing to communicate, and emotionally withdrawing as punishment.

Countering occurs when the abuser views the recipient as an extension of themselves and denies any viewpoints or feelings which differ from their own.

Minimizing

Minimizing is a less extreme form of denial. When minimizing, the abuser may not deny that a particular event occurred, but they question the recipient’s emotional experience or reaction to an event. Statements such as “You’re too sensitive,” “You’re exaggerating,” or “You’re blowing this out of proportion” all suggest that the recipient’s emotions and perceptions are faulty and not to be trusted.

Trivializing, which occurs when the abuser suggests that what you have done or communicated is inconsequential or unimportant, is a more subtle form of minimizing.

Denying and minimizing can be particularly damaging. In addition to lowering self-esteem and creating conflict, the invalidation of reality, feelings, and experiences can eventually lead you to question and mistrust your own perceptions and emotional experience.

Recipients of abuse often struggle with feelings of powerlessness, hurt, fear, and anger. Ironically, abusers tend to struggle with these same feelings. Abusers are also likely to have been raised in emotionally abusive environments and they learn to be abusive as a way to cope with their own feelings of powerlessness, hurt, fear and anger. Consequently, abusers may be attracted to people who see themselves as helpless or who have not learned to value their own feelings, perceptions, or viewpoints. This allows the abuser to feel more secure and in control, and avoid dealing with their own feelings and self-perceptions.

www.counselingcenter.illinois.edu/self-help-brochures/relationship-problems/emotional-abuse/

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BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 13:32

DH is 31 too. We have been together for 8 and a half years. It started to dwindle about 6 months in and I confronted him at the time. We had conversations about it that he claims to not remember ever taking place now. Perhaps that is because its more important to me than him. I get that I really do - but if something is important to him then it becomes important to me - because I care about him, he does the same with me - except in this one area!

When we do its great, but recently all the resentment, the questioning in my mind, working out if this is pity sex (after a convo about it), duty sex (because he feel like he should), or I am the human wank sock (because its been two months and something has kicked his cock to life!). My new view on it all makes it worse, the problem has become mine in that respect - I don't think he could do right for wrong right now actually. He has some serious making up to do as i still feel that the situation is his making not mine. At the same time I have to learn to trust him again - I feel utterly betrayed.

womblesofwestminster · 04/01/2014 13:34

I'm 30 this year and on the scrap heap already.

I'm 32 this year, and have 2 kids. I'm on the scrap heap too.

Could your man view it this way, and so give him less incentive to try?

Are you attractive? A lot of people split at our age (my best pal just has). She also has 2 kids. It's been interesting watching her new life unfold (good and bad). So far, she's not been void of sutours.

But... I feel for her kids.

BloodyHell123 · 04/01/2014 13:35

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womblesofwestminster · 04/01/2014 13:39

BloodyHell123 all that sex talk you saw on FB could be just that - talk. When I remember back to my first days with DH, he did some flirting sex talk with me. On our first date he fingered me!! It's like he was trying so hard to cover up his low sex drive that he went completely OTT. It was an act though.

We had conversations about it that he claims to not remember ever taking place now.

See what I just posted about emotional abuse.

Writerwannabe83 · 04/01/2014 13:39

I understand that bloody - I don't know if my husband knows that I still think about it all the time. Because it hasn't been discussed for about a year he probably thinks the problem has gone away and I've forgotten all about it, when in reality I still think about it every day

BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 13:45

Wombles, we both look worse for wear tbh, I am pregnant a the moment with our 4th, 4 in 6 years takes its toll.. but he's not particularly superficial, i really don't think its all to do with that. Besides, it started long before dc and life taking toll!

I do think my confidence is at play - lacking in confidence isn't attractive obviously. I used to be very confident and i think looking aback that scared him a bit. there must have been a short while where my confidence level was 'right' but ill be buggered if I know when it was.

Balistapus · 04/01/2014 13:45

It isn't emotional abuse. They just don't want to do it.

If a woman said she loved her husband, but had no desire for sex you wouldn't say she was emotionally abusing him.

I saw a programme about a widower going out dating after being married for 40 years. It turned out that his wife didn't enjoy sex so he hadn't done it for 40 years. His argument was that you married the person in sickness and in health. You don't get to pick and choose their attributes.

I could leave my partner and have more sex with someone else, but I might be swapping the most loving, adoring, kindest man for one of the arseholes I so often read about on here. We all have a choice.

chibi · 04/01/2014 13:45

i have not been penetrated by dh for 18 months. i can't think of the last time he touched me with the intent of giving me sexual pleasure. maybe 5-6 years?

we don't even do hen peck kisses anymore, we are roommate buddies. i hate my life in this respect, i am trapped (yes, really, and i dont need an argument about how i could leave if i wanted to. i can't.)

i am 38, in good shape, not ugly, well dressed good hygiene, not a bad person, i don't know what the problem is. this endless feeling of god what is wrong with me

BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 13:45

Bloody, your 13:35 is spot on for how i feel too.

Spink · 04/01/2014 13:46

Wombles, sorry, we were taking our Christmas tree down Hmm so I got pulled away...

I saw a blog about it, called the 30 day sex challenge or something like that. It wasn't aimed at couples specifically with the same issues as us but just struck me as worth trying mainly because the blog talked about improved closeness generaly & less stress about sex as a result, as well as increased sex drive for both.

I recognise we're quite lucky in that the issues underlying our problems must've been quite straightforward for the month of sex approach to work.

Writerwannabe83 · 04/01/2014 13:48

chibi - it sounds like you are in a really awful place Sad why is it you can't leave? Finances and children etc etc? I just hate to think of someone living like that and feeling so, so low and feeling like there is no escape.

chibi · 04/01/2014 14:02

i am foreign. if i leave i would never be allowed to bring my children home to visit family, ever again, he wouldn't give permission.

i would never go home, never see my parents, ever, the rest of my life. my children would only know their family by a voice on the phone. they would never learn our culture, or be exposed to it. they would be 100% english, nothing of me and mine in them at all.

this country has taken my youth, my happiness but I'll be damned if it gets my children (i know everyone else loves it here, sorry, it isn't and will never be home for me.)

anyway...that is too high a price right now.

Cooroo · 04/01/2014 14:21

I really don't feel abused. My DP is a lovely guy. Affectionate (but rarely a snog - sort of peck on the lips halfway house!). I haven't told him how I feel because I don't want pity sex or if it's ed I don't want to humiliate him.

I can take care of myself if I want to. I think I'm learning to accept im not going to have much more sex in my life. Have some wild fantasies though!

BloodyHell123 · 04/01/2014 14:40

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womblesofwestminster · 04/01/2014 14:42

It isn't emotional abuse. They just don't want to do it.

But they are being manipulative in how they express their disinterest - lying, denying, minimizing, trivializing.

i am trapped (yes, really, and i dont need an argument about how i could leave if i wanted to. i can't.)

I believe you. You have the guilt of what effect leaving would have on your children. Yes, you are trapped.

Purplemonster · 04/01/2014 14:44

Whoever said about being an unpaid live in au pair, that really spoke to me, I feel like a housekeeper, I suppose it makes sense that you're not bothered about fucking the person who exists only to pick up your socks.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 04/01/2014 14:45

I am so sorry for your situation Chibi.

I couldn't leave - how can you explain to anyone that you have left the guy who worships you, who supports you, who loves you, a wonderful husband (in almost every way) and father because he doesn't want to fuck very often... i couldn't, even if i wanted to leave him, which i don't, i love him! I couldn't actually do it for this reason alone. It seems too selfish and a bit pathetic!

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