Buggies must be folded by law, if a wheelchair user wishes to board

[BerniceBroadside]

I know this can be a hot topic so thought I'd share that stagecoach have new signs on their buses stating that buggies must be folded by law if a wheelchair user wishes to board. Let's hope it's actually enforced.

People post about poverty,climate change etc.....you name it it's posted about.However posters don't start a campaign every time they post,how ridiculous.

And people often DO start campaigns about things they have posted about.

Bottom line, it's pretty "ridiculous" to expect buses to acknowledge and accommodate parents needing spaces for buggies if people are unwilling (as you have stated you are unwilling) to get involved and tell them.

These have always been wheelchair spaces. Parents should always have moved buggies out of them when they were required for a wheelchair. Nothing should have to change. It is just making sure that parents do what they should have done anyway.

So Mumsnet hq. You pulled this thread for a couple of days and told everybody to behave themselves. Here we are still sticking up for our rights and being demonised for it. Why is always the moaner that gets away with shouting bullying, despite what said moaner has put on the thread, and we get told off for being the carer of those with disabilities, or even in some cases disabled ourselves. FFS in every other case I can think of, the person with the experience is the person that knows best, but on Mumsnet, it would appear that those of us with experience are the ones that are marginalised every damn time because one person decides to go on a wind up mission and shout bullies.
I was brought up with people with disabilities, we spent (between us) the late sixties, most of the seventies and some of the eighties fighting for integration, not just on transport, in schools, in the workplace, with regard to housing etc. Only to be continually told that actually, despite the fact that laws have been put into place, we are still to be good little folk who should do as we're told and be grateful that there are a couple of laws that may or may not help us, depending on how they're interpreted and by whom. (The fact is that the Equalities act is not wholly enforceable). Mumsnet is not the be all and end all, but the tiny victories made here should be supported by those that run the place, and not ignored. Those of us brave enough to challenge should not be accused of bullying every single time we stand up for ourselves. It's draining, wildly unfair and downright bloody rude.

Do you normally go through posters every post and repeat.

Sorry you got bored but hey this is a public forum and all,not Dawn's personal site.

As I say this is in aibu on a parenting forum.I simply highlighted issues and offered suggestions to rectify them.

Your aggression re the above is quite concerning to be honest,it is not a dictatorship.

Seconded, Dawndonna.
I'm not quite sure why the protections of the Equality Act don't apply here.

Hear hear Dawn.

MNHQ what is the point of the 'this is my child' campaign, if you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is?

Closing the thread to have a look at it, but then reopening with disablist posts still in place just isn't good enough [even with a reduced staff for xmas] better to have kept it locked until it could be properly looked at IMO.

It is the same story of people here having to do the whole 'educate' thing, but when people just don't want to learn and continue to post with a disablist attitude, why won't you act?

This is not on.

you havent offered remedies retro you have just moaned and said it would be impossible for you to.fold and whinged about it being unfair.

yet you wont actuallu do anything like get in toucj with the bus companies or even start a thread asking for support on mnet.

no.you have just moaned about.how hard it was for you and your children and then admitted your childrrn are past this stage so you wont do anything as it wouldnt benefit your children. how selfsish is that? you bemoan poor mothers of multiples and say they will be isolated but you clearly dont give that much of a shit as you wont do anything.

accusations of racism

You weren't accused of racism.

Someone suggested that if this were race related, then it would be dealt with differently.

The suggestion of carers being gleeful about wishing to maintain their kids' dignity by exercising their legal rights was also odious.

My opinions aren't shit thanks and I did offer suggestions eg mandatory help,buses stopping and mothers being helped and seated alongside buggy spaces or the flip up seats another poster mentioned.

Retro do you not see that attitudes like yours are harmful to people who this is a real issue for?

It may just be a thread on Mumsnet for you but this is real for some people and causes upset.

No Amber I don't.I don't have an attitude,I highlighted poss problems for some from said law which will need to be tackled as a consequence.

Nobody is refusing to fold,some simply can't on a moving bus.

So I have a twisted mind now,for raising an issue.

Not read through this thread because the posts I have read are hard to follow but my dp is blind and we have 3 children, if we are on a bus then we would just have to get off if a wheelchair user got on because folding the puschair would not be too difficult. I have gotten off the bus for wheelchair users before and to be honest it is pretty rare that a wheelchair user gets on the bus.

My dp wont carry a cane and its not obvious that he can't see. I guess I just wanted to add that although a wheelchair clearly shows disability, situations can be just as difficult for those with a less obvious disability. We are always being tutted beause we are in people's way and they are in a rush!

Oh wow.

My post is deleted in less than two minutes, but the disablist ones were left to stand even after you [MNHQ] closed the thread and looked at it.

That says all I need to know about MNHQs commitment to This Is My Child.