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BerniceBroadside · 19/12/2013 08:33
I know this can be a hot topic so thought I'd share that stagecoach have new signs on their buses stating that buggies must be folded by law if a wheelchair user wishes to board. Let's hope it's actually enforced.
JulieJingleBellsMumsnet · 22/12/2013 14:44
Hi there.
We need some time to have a good look into this thread so we're going to lock it for now to give us the chance to do this.
Disablist posts, like personal attacks, are against our talk guidelines and we will delete any that are reported to us. We don't expect anyone to 'educate' others and we do ask that any disablist posts are reported to us so that we can see them and take action.
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CatherineMumsnet · 23/12/2013 10:44
Hi all, we've re-opened this thread now. We don't tolerate disabilist language so please do report any you see.
RebeccaWatchOutMumsnet · 24/12/2013 15:24
Hi all,
Apologies for our lack of clarity earlier, we are working on a skeleton staff as it's Christmas eve.
For folks who are concerned that we are asking you to do our work for us,, Mumsnet is self-policing in that we ask you to report posts that you feel break our guidelines and we will take a look. On threads like this it can be a judgement call and we do sometimes get it wrong.
We will remove disabilist language and we work hard at allowing debate to flow, even when it is heated.
Threads about buggies and wheelchairs on buses are very emotive and often more robust. We ask that posters are respectful to others, even if they don't agree with their point of view.
If you feel we have missed any posts on this thread that break our guidelines then please do report them and we will take a look.
JulieJingleBellsMumsnet · 29/12/2013 13:41
Afternoon.
Many thanks for pointing us in the direction of this thread. As we've already said before, threads about buggies and wheelchairs on buses are very emotive and often more robust. We ask that posters are respectful to others, even if they don't agree with their point of view.
JulieJingleBellsMumsnet · 29/12/2013 13:42
@AmberLeaf
My post is deleted in less than two minutes, but the disablist ones were left to stand even after you [MNHQ] closed the thread and looked at it.
That says all I need to know about MNHQs commitment to This Is My Child.
We're looking at the thread from the bottom upwards, AmberLeaf. We can't delete threads we haven't reached yet so please bear with us.
JulieJingleBellsMumsnet · 29/12/2013 13:44
We're going to lock this thread, again, to give us some time to go through it.
JulieJingleBellsMumsnet · 29/12/2013 16:04
We've re-opened this thread.
We've had a good look and can see no posts which are bullying, please do flag any that we may have missed. We have deleted any posts which break our talk guidelines, but we don't consider 'What about me? What am I supposed to do?' as posts which break our talk guidelines or disablist.
As we've already said a couple of times before, threads about buggies and wheelchairs on buses are very emotive and often more robust. We ask that posters are respectful to others, even if they don't agree with their point of view.
We do welcome debate but there comes a point when we will delete a thread that has turned into a bun fight, whether there's 10 posts or 999. We're asking you to stick to our talk guidelines or we will delete this thread. In short, comment on the post, not the poster.
JulieJingleBellsMumsnet · 29/12/2013 17:35
It isn't a bunfight. MNHQ tells people to do the whole 'educate' thing in response to these sort of threads, we do and some learn a thing or two because of our posts, which is great and makes posting worthwhile, but then some people still continue posting in willful ignorance, we carry on explaining things, but it does reach a point where you wonder if it is deliberate winding up. It is a big ask to expect people to not feel upset by some of the attitudes displayed on threads like these.
I also wonder what MNHQ is basing their judgement of whether or not something is disablist on?
For example;
but we don't consider 'What about me? What am I supposed to do?' as posts which break our talk guidelines or disablist
Someone who says the above once could be considered to have no experience of the issues/ignorant to the facts/asking for advice as to what to do. But if someone says those things and gets many replies explaining things and giving suggestions as to how to deal with those problems, but still carries on with the wah wah wah posts, at what point do you accept that it is either goading or not wanting to understand? To vociferously argue that you as an able bodied parent of able bodied children shouldn't have to show any consideration to people with disabilities is disablist. It just is and I don't understand how you think it isn't.
I have found the lukewarm, non committal response to this from MNHQ incongruent with the This Is My Campaign.
Hi, Amberleaf.
We have looked through the whole thread more than once. As always, we look at threads and posts on a case by case basis. There are a fair amount of 'what about me?' type posts and we've looked at them all. We can't tell you what other action we've taken but there's always things that go on behind the scenes if we think that someone is posting to inflame/goad.
As we've already posted, we do not expect people to 'educate' others. We are aware of how tough life is already and we do not ask this of you.
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