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To think psychics are all fakes?

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 11/12/2013 08:33

I don't like that they take peoples money when they are in a vulnerable place, lost loved ones etc. It's immoral. Just my opinion.

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monicalewinski · 12/12/2013 14:55

Have just watched Lamb's Friends clip, and now in my mind Hettie - you are female Ross.

He is exactly how I imagine you banging your head against the computer when faced with the Phoebe's of the world!! Grin

V funny clip!

HettiePetal · 12/12/2013 15:01

I have the brain of Ross not really and the face of Rachel not really

Wink
monicalewinski · 12/12/2013 15:20

Grin it is exactly how I have you pictured now Hettie!

(Do you have a 'briefcase of facts'?? - you should get one!).

ZingChoirsOfAngels · 12/12/2013 15:30

Hettie

by coincidence. or whatever word you wish to use.

MoreThanChristmasCrackers · 12/12/2013 15:32

No YANBU the unreasonable are the gullible twats who fall for it.

HettiePetal · 12/12/2013 15:49

Why is the possibility that the universe came about through chance "so small it's ridiculous and negligible?"

And why do you think there are only two possibilities - God or chance?

ZingChoirsOfAngels · 12/12/2013 16:06

that was your own logic.
1 in a billion chance.

and I don't think they are only two possiblities but these two tend to get waved about as direct opposites.

I think/believe that God created the Universe and the Big Bang theory is the best possible explanation so far of how that happened.
but no scientist can explain why it happened, so they either say "by chance" or "intelligent creator".
I haven't heard a third option in relation to this (which doesn't mean there are no other views)

that's all

but you didn't react to the fact that I used your logic to point out a view directly oppoding yours.

HettiePetal · 12/12/2013 16:16

Zing I don't have the first idea what you're on about. I don't think you've actually understood my logic, to be honest.

Do you think I was saying that the chance of the universe occurring by "chance" is 1 in a billion?

Er.....why?

And no scientist says "chance" or "intelligent creator". Scientists say: "We don't know yet" because that is the only truthful answer at the current time.

ZingChoirsOfAngels · 12/12/2013 16:18

ok then

that is certainly the easier option for you

BackOnlyBriefly · 12/12/2013 16:20

Zing why not just explain what you mean. I think I know but I can't be sure.

Binkybix · 12/12/2013 16:21

Zing - it wasn't Hettie's logic you used.

The logic pertaining to ghosts (for argument's sake) is that there is no evidence for them and that their existence would contradict a lot of things we do have evidence for. Therefore, whilst technically possible, their existence is vanishingly unlikely.

The universe DOES exist, so the same logic doesn't hold at all. As far as I know it's true that whilst physicists think they can get to within a few nanoseconds of the Universe's creation they don't know what was before. That's not evidence for a higher being as the creator though. It means we don't know.

As to it being a small chance, it's hard to say if that's true. How many 'pre big bang' States didn't 'bang' and create a universe? Maybe the chance wasn't small at all.

I don't think a scientist would refer to an intelligent creator btw!

HettiePetal · 12/12/2013 16:21

Nope - have read both your posts again and it's gobbledegook.

If anyone can explain what she's on about, I would be interested to hear it.

throwingstones · 12/12/2013 17:08

No scientist will ever be able to explain how life, the universe and everything came to be, but saying god did it is just replacing one inexplicable phenomenon with another.

hackmum · 12/12/2013 17:17

"No scientist will ever be able to explain how life, the universe and everything came to be, but saying god did it is just replacing one inexplicable phenomenon with another."

Very true.

The difficulty I have with religion, though, is not the belief in God (or gods) per se but the belief that God has a certain agenda. He cares more about one corner of the universe (earth) than any other, he cares more about one of his creations (humans) than any of the others, and he has particularly strong views about how humans should behave, right down to what they should eat and who they should have sex with. It all seems so elaborate really. If God exists (which is a ginormous if), how can we possibly know what he wants, let alone at that level of detail?

BackOnlyBriefly · 12/12/2013 17:28

Yeah, There are all these 'proofs' where someone looks at the universe and concludes on the basis of some deeply philosophical point that it must have a creator and next thing you know they are saying "and he wants you to do this, this and that".

How do they get from "there must have been a first cause" to "god hates pork, polyester and gay people".

ZingChoirsOfAngels · 12/12/2013 18:38

hackmum

how can you possibly know?
it's in the Bible.

everything from Creation to ten commandments to warnings and blessings and prophecies and instructions and the Gospels, the importance of Jesus Christ - absolutely everything.

seek and ye shall find

if you want to know how and why it's all there.

ZingChoirsOfAngels · 12/12/2013 18:40

back

God doesn't hate people, He hates sin.

BackOnlyBriefly · 12/12/2013 19:22

Zing, according to the bible he drowned everyone except Noah and his family. Bear in mind many of those drowned would have been babies and small children.

Oh and lots of animals too who presumably can't sin.

Was handy that Noah and all his family were totally without sin. Bit of a coincidence that since we are told now that no one nowadays can be without sin.

puntasticusername · 12/12/2013 19:31

Zing - genuine and respectful question. If the Bible is so brilliant and everything, how do you respond to the many accusations that it is demonstrably wrong, even self-contradictory in some respects?

Just Google "ways the Bible contradicts itself" for some examples.

puntasticusername · 12/12/2013 19:33

Top result from that search: infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Holamum · 12/12/2013 19:39

I think this is a really interesting topic.

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 12/12/2013 21:08

Gah! The bible.. which version? All shite, written by man.

Think about this. It's 2013, some guy is going around with followers claiming to be the son of god, disciples etc. They'd be bloody sectioned/medicated in a flash.

'Jesus' was a tripper. The original 'cult leader'. The people who followed were brainwashed sheep.

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 12/12/2013 21:09

Psychics to the bible in 598 messages. Hmm

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FreudiansSlipper · 12/12/2013 21:29

the bible is believed by many people i admire and would never think to call them foolish or stupid or implying they are

and they maybe sectioned in this country or most western countries but not in all countries lots of holy men (and a few women) in india and other parts of asia

Yellowcake · 12/12/2013 21:30

Zing, don't you understand the problem with supporting your belief in God by reference to a set of ancient texts written and compiled by people who also believed in said God? It's as if I supported my belief in the invisible unicorn under my bed by pointing out that someone else also believed they had an invisible unicorn under their bed, but had written it down!

Not to mention considering the issue that different canonical Bibles are used by Christianity and Judaism and different Christian sects, that it's a ragtag collection of myth, memoir, Jewish history, wish-fulfilment prophecy from the point of view of persecuted/dispossessed Jews, hygiene/health and safety advice, poetry, letters, etc etc written over a hugely long period.