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DH has started misusing "myself", like he's an estate agent or works in a call centre. WIBU to LTB?

192 replies

MardyBra · 10/12/2013 17:58

He had very good grammar when I married him in the last century.

It's very embarrassing.

OP posts:
CalamitouslyWrong · 11/12/2013 18:57

Eventually, after many years of reflexive pronoun use by my students in essays, I decided to do a special session on when to use 'you' and 'me' in writing and why using 'myself' does not make you sound more formal, polite or clever for my final year students. They write a lot of reflexive essays and I was getting really depressed about their refusal to use the word 'me'.

I like to think I'm doing my colleagues a favour, as well as everyone that the students will come into contact with in the course of their life outside the university.

I'm always really saddened to receive letters from my children's schools full of reflexive pronoun abuse. I hold my head and my hands and think 'you're supposed to be teaching children grammar...'.

MrsCharlesBrandon · 11/12/2013 20:04

I had a boss who always used 'at the end of the day'. She once said it Nineteen times in a 45 minute team meeting! Angry

She told me off for smirking while a colleague sat behind her and counted every single one. :o

MIL's favourite saying is 'and I mean, Is it me?' (complete with emphatic gesture) Yes MIL, most of the time it IS you because you're so flipping intolerant!

Defnotsupergirl · 11/12/2013 23:54

Very rare I advocate slapping with a wet haddock, but this is one of those times. Get thyself to a fishmonger and explain your problem. Fishmonger, you can be assured will provide the requisite item to slap forthwith.

Greythorne · 11/12/2013 23:59

The jargon I hate is 'piece'

As in:

Let's now move on to the consumer research piece. And then I'll update you on the interactive piece of the event which is being handled by an external vendor. Finally I suggest we park the customer insight piece until we get the results of the employee survey piece.

Just: what?

Lazysuzanne · 12/12/2013 01:39

The myself/yourself problem, is it recent-ish?
I feel as if it's only been bugging me for about 2-3 years.

Rising inflection on the other had has been irritating me for a good 14 years or more.
Is rising inflection out of the remit of this thread?
(I expect 'remit' is a bad word to use Blush )

KeatsiePie · 12/12/2013 05:54

lottie what a terrific post. youre yes, completely; this "the incredible, blissful unselfconsciousness of men" is spot on.

I hope "remit"'s all right, I like it.

Back to the OP: this glazed-eyed indiscriminate use of "myself" has come into popularity b/c someone got up one day and taught absolutely everyone in the English-speaking world that the word "me" was never ever to be used, and now look -- people will say "fuck" in front of their bosses before they'll say "me." Whoever this person was, it is his fault that I spent years listening to colleagues in meetings say "and then they'll pass it to Tim and I for review," years clenching my teeth together to keep from hissing "ME AND TIM, ME AND TIM, ME AND TIM YOU PRETENTIOUS FUCKERS."

So what did this person have against the word "me"?? And why did everyone listen to him?

YoDiggity · 12/12/2013 05:56

This would be a deal breaker for me.

EmilyAlice · 12/12/2013 06:06

This thread has reminded me that I once worked with a pompous (female) deputy head who wrote in a report, " Some people find his behaviour difficult to manage, but I have to say he is not like that with myself".
I have obviously hated her for it for over thirty years.

skinoncustard · 12/12/2013 06:32

All the twits that 'are' 'are going' or 'have been' on a journey!!!! No you bloody have not. ???

TheBigJessie · 12/12/2013 09:02

keatsie yes. What was so hard about teaching people how to use I and me, instead of telling them that some people overused me!

CalamitouslyWrong · 12/12/2013 09:14

I think whoever it was that convinced everyone that 'me' was an unutterable word has a lot to answer for, Keatsie.

I see an awful lot of 'the meeting was attended by job title, job title, job title and myself'. I despair every single time. What do they imagine is wrong with 'me'? Abusing myself makes people sound like officious twats.

ReallyOverThis · 12/12/2013 10:34

OP, YWNBU. This thread is all that is great about MN (loving the masterful analysis of "it is what it is" )

DP knows his reflexive pronouns, but he does have a few management consultancy type tendencies and his latest one is the over-use of "around" e.g. "What are we doing around getting your brother's birthday present?" "We need to think around what to have for dinner" "at work we're doing a project around reducing unauthorised absence".

I usually say " Around half past five dear? Yes, of course".

Lazysuzanne · 12/12/2013 10:49

Re the avoidance of 'me'

Did it stem from reluctance to sound greedy or selfish?
As in 'it's all me me me'
'Myself' is used as an indirect, more polite alternative.

Except now it just sounds clichéd, pompous and frequently tautological!

It has become the hallmark of the person who pretends to be educated and sophisticated.

FoxyRevenger · 12/12/2013 11:01

A colleague of mine was in a meeting where someone asked him "do you mind if I download my brain chatter?"

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and the end of the world came.

Lazysuzanne · 12/12/2013 11:10

I prefer 'may I air my stream of consciousness ' :o

Yellowcake · 12/12/2013 11:10

I think the technical term is linguistic 'over-correction' or 'hyper-correction'. You used to get it a lot in the misuse of "I" for "me". People had been told it wasn't correct to say "Me and Toby went to the pub', and it became a confused sense that 'I' was more grammatical than "me", whatever the position in the sentence, so there was a spread of people over-correcting to 'They invited Toby and I to the party'.

That distrust of "me" seems to have spread now, to the point where 'myself' replaces 'me' in all kinds of unsuitable places, especially when people are trying to sound formal, educated or impressive.

CalamitouslyWrong · 12/12/2013 11:14

It is wonderfully ironic that the over-correction occurs when people try to sound more formal, educated or impressive.

YoDiggity · 12/12/2013 13:15

This is one of my best thread titles ever. I like to see thread titles that sum up the madness ethos of MN, and this is one of them.

YoDiggity · 12/12/2013 13:16

It's up there with 'AIBU to think I'm not middle class enough to eat Dorset Cereal?'

Manchesterhistorygirl · 12/12/2013 13:44

I know how much mn despises clarkson, but this particular article of his is perfect for this thread.

Ladies I give you:

The Sunday Times January 22, 2006

The worst word in the language
Jeremy Clarkson
Wog. Spastic. Queer. N1gger. Dwarf. Cripple. Fatty. Gimp. Paki. Mick. Mong. Poof. Coon. Gyppo. You can’t really use these words any more and yet, strangely, it is perfectly acceptable for those in the travel and hotel industries to pepper their conversation with the word “beverage”.

There are several twee and unnecessary words in the English language. Tasty. Meal. Cuisine. Nourishing. And the biblically awful “gift”. I also have a biological aversion to the use of “home” instead of “house”. So if you were to ask me round to “your home for a nourishing bowl of pasta” I would almost certainly be sick on you.

But the worst word. The worst noise. The screech of Flo-Jo’s fingernails down the biggest blackboard in the world, the squeak of polystyrene on polystyrene, the cry of a baby when you’re hungover, is “beverage”.

Apparently they used to have “bever” days at Eton when extra beer was brought in for the boys. And this almost certainly comes from some obscure Latin expression that only Boris Johnson would understand.

Therein lies the problem. People who work on planes and in hotels have got it into their heads that the word beverage, with its Eton and Latin overtones, is somehow posh and therefore the right word to use when addressing a customer.

Now look. The customer in question is almost certainly a businessman, and the sort of businessmen who take scheduled planes around Europe and stay in business hotels are fairly low down the pecking order. You think they turn their phones on the instant the plane has landed because the Tokyo stock exchange is struggling to manage without them. No. The reason they turn them on so damn fast is to find out if they’ve been sacked.

Honestly, you don’t need to treat them like you’re on the set of Upstairs Downstairs. They do not spend their afternoons cutting the crusts off cucumber sandwiches. And they do not say grace before dinner. They’re called Steve and Dave and you know what they’re doing on their laptops in the departure lounge? Organising a backward hedge merger with GEC? Fraid not. They’re looking at some Hooters Swimsuit pictures from the internet.

For crying out loud, I’m middle class. I went to a school most people would call posh. But if I came home and said to my wife that I wanted a beverage, or asked her to pass the condiments, she’d punch me.

When I travel, I don’t need to be treated like Hyacinth Bucket. I want you to understand I speak like you do and that I’ll understand perfectly if you say there’s a kettle in my room. You don’t have to say there are “tea and coffee making facilities”.

And please, can you stop saying “at all” after every question. Can I take your coat at all? Would you care for lunch at all? Or, this week, on a flight back from Scandinavia, “Another beverage for yourself at all, sir?” What’s the matter with saying “Another drink?” And what’s with all the reflexive pronoun abuse? I’ve written about this before but it’s getting worse. Reflexive pronouns are used when the subject and the object of a sentence are the same person or thing. Like “I dress myself”. You cannot therefore say “please contact myself”. Because it makes you look like an imbecile.

If you send a letter to a client saying “my team and me look forward to meeting with yourself next Wednesday”, be prepared for some disappointment. Because if I were the client I’d come to your office all right. Then I’d stand on your desk and relieve myself.

I’m not a grammar freak — I can eat, shoot and then take it or leave it — but when someone says “myself” instead of “me” I find it more offensive than if they’d said “spastic wog”.

Before embarking on a sentence, work out first of all what’s the shortest way of saying it, not the longest. There seems to be a general sense that using more words than is strictly necessary is somehow polite. That’s almost certainly why, on another flight the other day, I was offered some “bread items”.

We see this most conspicuously in the catering industry, where I am regularly offered a “choice of both cheddar and brie”. No, wait. I’ve forgotten the pointless adjectives. I should have said a “choice of both flavoursome cheddar and creamy brie”.

“Are you ready to order at all, yourself, sir.” “Yes, I’ll have the hearty winter-warming soup and the nourishing bowl of pasta, topped with the delicious dew-picked tomatoes, thanks. And to follow, if yourself can manage it, a plate of gag-inducing, nostril-assaulting, bacteria-laced Stilton.”

It’s all rubbish. Why is a bowl of pasta more appealing than a plate of pasta? And why not simply say pasta? Because don’t worry, I’ll presume it’ll come on some form of crockery, in the same way that I’ll presume, if you put a kettle in my room, that you might have put some coffee granules in there as well.

I’ll leave you with the best example I know of this nonsense. It was a rack of papers in a hotel foyer over which there was a sign: “Newspapers for your reading pleasure”.

All they had left was The Guardian. So it wasn’t even technically correct.

Hissy · 12/12/2013 13:56

Proper Grin at this:

people will say "fuck" in front of their bosses before they'll say "me."

LineRunner · 12/12/2013 16:21

“my team and me look forward to meeting with yourself next Wednesday”

Fuck off, Clarkson.

Lovelybitofsquirrel · 12/12/2013 17:37

Talking of people taking things too far, my current bugbear, as a teacher, is pupils who are taught to say "may I" instead of "can I" and who then think that when asking me (myself?!) to do something for them that they shoud say "may you"! As in, "miss, may you pass me some paper?"!
Makes me twitch!

phantomnamechanger · 12/12/2013 17:51

I also hate may I/can I - we had a teacher (about y4 in 1980) who when one boy asked "can I go to the toilet?" once said - "if you mean CAN you, I don't know, you'd need to ask a doctor, but if you mean MAY you, the answer is NO" the boy didn't get it and was, like (sorry!), "huh?" and some of us were POSL!

valiumredhead · 12/12/2013 17:53

My Dh keeps using 'stroke,' it makes me want to do bodily harm. Seriously.