AIBU to think Scotland are gonna have moring after regret

[Sadoldbag]

Just heard today that Asda and morrisons will hike there prices up as the store in the uk subsidise the ones in Scotland.

Also the persident of the European union has said last week on hard talk Scotland will not be able to jump the que on the back of the uk coat tails and will have to join and fresh and wait in the back of the que

And royal mail have also said they may stop mail to the far flung parts of Scotland if they go ita lone as they loose money in the shetlands ect and they would only be required to provide mail in the uk.

And it seems to me all the bits in the white paper are all assertions and weather they keep the pound ect is not actually up to them.

I think this is gonna be like ringing your boss when drunk it sounds like a good idea at the time

But They will regert it in the morining

I'm not Scottish and I don't live in Scotland, so it's not my decision to make, but I'm following the debate closely because DSis and family live in Edinburgh.

Personally, I would be sad if Scotland decided to break away (and worried that the rest of us would be forever doomed to a Tory government in Westminster). However, I can understand why the idea of independence is appealing to some Scots.

What I can't understand is why everything has to be so unclear - I don't really get why all the negotiations on the practical implications of independence, such as sterling, EU membership etc, can't be hashed out now, so that those who are voting in the referendum can base their decisions on certainties, not assumptions. If I were in Scotland now, I would be very worried about whether I could make a truly informed choice.

I can't help but feel that it would be massively risky for the Scots to vote yes, but if they do, I wish them well and genuinely hope that it works for them. I dread the smug shadenfreude in England if it all goes pear-shaped. :(

I'm not Scottish, I don't live in Scotland, but I'm glad to see so many people are planning on voting no, I like the UK the way it is.

I find the anti-Scottish comments on here to be embarrassing and unnecessary.

However, I would agree that calling Alex Salmond a fish is very polite.

Anyhoo.basis of this seems to be op thinks devolution like calling her boss hauf cut
And she refuses to write salmond.And she thinks nicola sturgeon is bit fishy
Err thanks for clearing that up for us

I think independence is a bad idea. I used to think that most people would agree, but now I'm not so sure.

I wish scotland well whatever it decides to do. I find the anti scottish bile on here utterley distasteful.
Threads like these always bring out the little englanders.

Ffs isn't it about time these threads stopped? don't lump us all in the "yes" camp. Most people I know are voting against. I really dislike the way some folk on mn are getting about Scotland. we can't all "feck off". And threads like this are just a place for some people to let their true colours shine and prove themselves to be arseholes. Second thread in a week lumping is all together. There are millions of us. We are not borg, we don't have a singular mind.

First page Ticktoc80 said this and I agree.

How ridiculous to assume that an entire country holds one singular view and then to judge all residents of that country by that.

These threads are bringing out some distasteful opinions and some that expose true (unpleasant) prejudice.

I am Scottish and I think its terrifying how uncertain it is, Jinsei. The problem is that Westminster has to be the one who instigates a lot of the discussion of these issues. Understandably, they don't want to spend time and money researching Salmond's pet project for him. There's nothing to stop the Yes campaign getting proper legal advice, but they've already had to backtrack twice on that issue (both times re EU membership).

Question for the Scots, sorry my Scottish history is fairly pathetic.

James VI/I inherited the English throne from Elizabeth I, so why is it Scotland wanting independence rather than Scotland giving England independence? (not exactly sure how Wales and NI fit in with that theory - my Irish history consisted of a bit about Daniel O'Connel).

Also use of the pound. What could/would stop an independent Scotland using the pound? In Argentina cash point dispense pesos and US dollars, you pick which one to use. You can used $ to pay for anything.

In Ecuador only US dollars are used.

In English law a shop / individual can accept any payment it wants, hence some shops selling in $ and Euros.

Its not unclear though Jinsei. Its the Yes campaign that are trying to make it unclear. Treaty obligations are set in stone and state that unanimity of all member states is required for accession of a new member state, and Spain, Cyprus and Greece will be likely to object.

A lot of the Yes campaign I find very prone to propoganda and hyperbole, but I dont really care as I'll move to Holland if independence happens anyway.

I find the fact that there are so many fraudulent politicised thug types, who try to tell more intelligent people what they should think, more reminiscent of former failed communist regimes than an independent country that would be a great place to live in.

I'm also really sick of the notion being pedalled that Scots are somehow nicer and more socialist than the rest of the UK. What I found in Scotland, as a professional woman who has been well educated and lived abroad, that the Scottish State is really corrupt in an ingrained, endemic way. Its jobs for the boys. Or your uncle who has just bid on a PPI contract.

10 employees and contractors for City of Edinburgh council were jailed over the communal repairs fraud there last year, and the former head of their Property Dept has just been jailed for siphoning off VAT overpayments! Its endemic throughout Scottish local government.

I also found the level of competence and education of a lot of the people I had to work with very questionable (I'm in Belgium working at he moment). Scotland employs a higher proportion of people in the public sector than any other EU country...

As for Scotland being like a Scandinavian socialist country - its a Celtic country, not Scandinavian. The people I find tend towards being excitable, not calm. I find the tendency towards constantly telling themselves how wonderful it is all the time maddening. It means nothing can ever be directed that is wrong, because valid criticism is rejected as being 'anti-Scottish'. Again, thats not a Scandinavian trait. And anyway, some of the policies of the Scandinavian countries are quite right wing - unemployment benefits in Sweden are based on tine in employment. Everyone is encouraged to work and there is subsidised childcare because there are so many working single parents.

I think an independent Scotland would have more in common than with Estnia, which is suffering economic trouble and de-population.

Pretty shocked by some of the appalling, sneery attitudes towards the Scottish on this thread.

Personally, I think sense will prevail and the vote will be no.

The Yes campaign is too vague, there are too many assumptions being made, and basically it is all reminiscent of communist propaganda to me.

Goldenhandshake, personally, I think sense will prevail and the vote will be yes

Did you see Nicola Sturgeon utterly destroying Alistair Carmichael on the Scotland Tonight debate the other week? No ... shame it was probably only shown up here.

Classic line from her: "You're the Scottish Secretary, you're supposed to stick up for Scotland!!" when he was in the midst of some fear-and-uncertainty-wooooooo-if-we-vote-yes-paedophiles-will-fill-all-primary-school-teaching-positions! ramble. Or something.

Really, what on earth is "certain" about staying in the UK? None of us have crystal balls but to quote, I would question the sanity of anyone who thinks a country shouldn't be ruled by its own people.

Love these threads!

It's funny how I'm always hearing about how the Scots supposedly hate the English, yet when you see threads like these it's quite blatant it's just as much the other way around.

I think it's going to be a No vote , so what a shame, the English are stuck with us

I think Scotland get a good deal from being part of the UK. But many Scottish people don't seem to realise that. I do find Scottish Nationalism wearing.

Minion you're right, the thinly-veiled contempt for the Scots on this thread is utterly reprehensible.

What good deal does Scotland get from being part of the UK?

Scotland gets back more per head per population from the Treasury, than England does. Read up about the Barnett formula. It disproportionately favours Scotland.

LauraTrashley I found that about Norway too. So many Norwegians drive to Sweden to shop. I dont actually see what is so great about Norway. I went to Trondheim, which lies just below the Arctic Circle, and has a charge for driving into what is a tiny university town. As a result, various public sector fact finding missions are sent there. It was a cold rainy and windy day in August, and Trondheim was full of miserable people getting soaked, battling to walk against the wind, alongside roads devoid of vehicles, apart from the very occassional bus. It was kind of like Hell.

I dont see why Munich couldn't be studied instead, with its excellent system of train, U Hahn, S Hahn, trams and buses. Or Zurich. But Trondheim...?

Bahn not Hahn.

Yup but we also contribute more in Tax.

Artemis - Scotland is ruled by its own people. We are British. The Treaty of Union has been around since 1707, so perhaps you might want to display that supposedly excellent Scottish education system(personally didn't find it that great, and statistics agree) and lay off the spreading propoganda? Alternatively, I'm sure there's a few ex Stasi type organisations that must be on the lookout for that type of Lindsey?

Everywhere, except really deprived areas, contribute more n tax than they get back. London contributes way more in tax, but gets less back than the scots.

The formula has nothing to do with how much tax is contributed, or how disadvantaged a country is.

#mindset jeez