To think change4life shouldn't partner up with a baby killing machine?

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Nestle? Really?

www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/national-partners-nestle.aspx

Excuse the language but, what the fucking fuck?

Still puzzling over how anyone "sits around in a postmodern way." Has anyone attempted this form of sitting around? Can you explain to me how it works? I thought I might like to try it.

differentnameforthis I boycott nestle AND do charity work (actually you mentioned some of the stuff I do) it's not either or, you can do both you know!

Each to their own...but boycotting Nestle in this country is so easy to do ...so you can help people on your own doorstep AND try to help those in the third world...
I would love to be able to go to these poor countries and tell every single mother exactly what was going on...but that isn't possible...
If enough people did this we could make a difference....it doesn't have to be either /or (I do lots of volunteer work for local charities -that takes effort - not buying something doesn't really)
Nestle products tend to be branded, more expensive - so surely someone in this country struggling to feed their children would be able to feed them for less not using Nestle?
I am perfectly aware that Nestle will make own label stuff ...but it is the brand names that make the most money...they can charge a premium for.
My sister has traveled and lived in some out of the way places (eg the West Bank/Palestine) - often the only instant coffee available is Nescafe, you get offered a 'cup of Nescafe', I found the same in Egypt ...'Nescafe' on the menu in a cafe in Cairo. It would be harder to boycott in countries like that ...but not here...

If you know the reasons, how can you stand in a shop with a choice of products in front of you and choose to buy the one made by Nestle? - I really don't understand...

Xpost Boobybeau - and 100% with you...

Just for the record, I think change4life is run by the marketing team in Public Health England (a government executive agency), not the NHS. I'm not sure whether this makes any difference to the moral arguments, though.

I am appalled that c4l are partnering with nestle. Someone up thread said that perhaps they were needing extra funding, fair enough, but why use a company that is part of the reason we NEED c4l? Their products are full of all the things change 4 life are trying to get people to cut out.

And that's BEFORE their scandalous practises.

Well, it would be interesting to see the salaries of the people in charge of C4L before lamenting that the funding has been cut.

Not that I'm saying there IS anything dodgy, but I don't trust the government as far as I could throw them.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if some people in charge of C4L were linked with nestle. But again, I'm cynical ;)

Thinking about this a bit more - is it because people think it has to be hard work? It feels overwhelming? ...some PP shocked by the brands that Nestle now own...or because they have one particular product that they feel like they can't give up? (I struggle with Quality Street - it was a Christmas traditional )
I think if I buy the odd Nestle product through ignorance etc it doesn't really matter...if enough people stopped buying even just their well know obvious products it would have a big impact -they would have to listen...in fact the ones obviously linked to them are probably the most effective to boycott!
You can only do what you can...better to do a little something than nothing at all.
(I cringe - two groups I have links with have a favourite fundraiser of Smartie tubes filled with 20ps - but they work really well for them and it isn't my position to try and change that - they need the funds generated...I do occasionally try and think of similar alternatives though...just haven't found a good one yet!)

still handwringing and bemoaning others lack of moral character,no actual alternative plan
Nhs doesn't boycott nestle at all.nor do majority of people.
The minority shouldn't impose on the majority or limit their health choices

I think its fine that we all have different views on How to Make the World Better. I admire people who do something! there is no definitively right view.

unfortunately most people, across all backgrounds, don't do anything that does not benefit them. but as I said, that is freedom.

Jibba jabba

If 3 weeks of formula can dry up breast milk - why don't these women simply re-lactate - you know, like the breastapo says is possible!

public sector tendering required declare conflict of interest,if one were linked to nestle they'd have to declare it

Blousymumsytwat

Look into who these women are. You're question would answer itself.

Scottishmummy

The minority shouldn't impose on the majority or limit their health choices

Aye, seems it's fair that the majority, the powerful, can impose on the minority, the weak, the uneducated though, and limit their health choices. Okay hen, you've made your point. Fair enough.

*your question

Yes Its unfair to limit access to health on basis on boycott most don't endorse
If you continue to feel strongly write to your local trust ask they not stock nestle
If you continue to feel big business too big and should be limited,you'll find plenty like minded on line.maybe get together and progress it beyond it's no fair,it's wrang

Royal College of Midwives officially ended their support for boycott July 1997

you no get bored repeating over and over
I feel strongly of things close to my heart,I act accordingly
cant think of a third line

It's impossible to get a coherent response from you other than its wrang
What would you do differently?youve given a hint to limit big business,tax redistricution
What's your thoughts on RCM not supporting boycott anymore?

Surely it's a conflict of interest for Nestlé to be involved in C4L as there is one pretty big reason for them to want C4L to fail - sales!

I think nestle paid them and they got into bed with them.

'Working on the inside' apparently.

How so?all brands want to get consiner prominence and association as healthy,good fir you
Brands actively seek out partnerships that will promote their desired wider profile
Nestle will actively want to be associated with health,it's a positive association

If you believe the tendering process or panel were not wholly legitimate you report
Otherwise it just looks like a lot of conspiracy theory,and well you would say that
So go on, report your belief that nestle paid for contract.make sure to report back mind

I don't need to. It's not theory. www.babymilkaction.org/boycott/boyct21.html

Following the decision of the RCM Council to drop its support for the boycott to "work from the inside", the RCM's official journal, Midwives, published many letters protesting about the Council's decision. Only one letter was received supporting Nestlé. The Community Practitioners' and Health Visitors' Association (CPHVA) and the National Childbirth Trust (NCT) restated their support for the boycott after the RCM Council announcement.

"....[it is] an intriguing assumption that accepting money from a company will lead to influence over that company's marketing policies....the long-term past boycott of South African produce was never taken as implying that all other régimes were flawless; it was a high-profile symbol of protest against appalling practices...."
Isobella Black responding to the RCM Council decision to drop the boycott
Midwives September 97

Reporting nhs fraud in England and reporting nhs fraud scotland

So go on, report your belief that nestle paid for contract.make sure to report back mind

Do report back,wouldn't want us thinking this was unsubstantiated claim would you?