To think change4life shouldn't partner up with a baby killing machine?

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Nestle? Really?

www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/national-partners-nestle.aspx

Excuse the language but, what the fucking fuck?

You don't have an alternative lamb,you're still stuck at whatever As you put it
stuck at it's no right,without thinking of alternative. Other than command economy
Is it really right to impose your minority view upon those who don't share it

So I have given an alternative yes?

Just because I don't have all the in depth answers you keep demanding doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

Yabu.

Option that programme doesn't run?so it's expansion is limited.folk denied health programme
Imposing a command economy and limiting nestle.and of course tax the rich
Again I'll ask you how's it fair that a minority view be imposed on the majority

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make Scottishmummy but quite frankly you are clogging up what could be an informative and eye-opening thread to those of us that are just learning of Nestles' practices.

If somebody could link me to some factual and unbiased information regarding this all, I would be very grateful!

No not tax the rich. Stop the rich avoiding tax.

No not tax the rich. Stop the rich avoiding tax.

It's quite simple,the majority people don't boycott nestle.why should their Health opportunities be limited to suit a minority
If one wishes to boycott nestle,do so.decline the programme if you wish
Neste clearly won a bid on ability to deliver. And that matters

You want to know more about nestle go google it like anyone else would

Floatyflo

I am in bed now. But will link to info in the morning.

Hope you don't have the hangover from hell tomorrow Scottish mummy.

Ok lamb you'll increase revenue by taking on tax avoidance.still want to limit nestle size?

Lamb,you're unable to vim pose a coherent thought
Your tactic throughout has been name calling and snidely remarks
I'll stick to the San pellegrino.you have a wee sleep and pop back tomorrow maybe

scottish you are on the wrong side of history, of course in the beginning very few advocated for the abolition of slavery using similar arguments to your own.

let the free market decide

Very few people disagree

What would the alternative be raise the price of products

Eventually I honesty believe enough people will create a dent in their coffers which will cause a change in policy.

The reality is we do not have a free market, we have market saturated with monopolies and
insurmountable barriers to competition.

The irony.

I hadnt heard of any if this about Nestle until I joined MN - you live and learn.

However I won't be boycotting them - I choose to use certain of their products, mainly because their products are better than others IMHO. Dig into most corporations and I'm sure you can uncover some dodgy shit - that unfortunately is just how the world works.

President that is how the world works because we let it.

It upsets me that people do not realise their own capacity for creating change.

If you we're to boycott nestle tell a few of your friends who then tell a few more you have made a difference.

And if that's not a good enough reason then how about not giving your money to people who profit from harming babies.

Good grief, just WOW at some of the ignorance displayed in this thread. Nestlé is a highly unethical company and I refuse to line their pockets. It concerns me greatly that they have gained this sponsorship as they now have another platform to access the vulnerable.

The wiki site has good links to outside sources and reports

Article in the British Medical Journal about Nestle being found against by the Advertising Standards Authority because their newspaper advertisments in British Newspapers stating that their statement that their practices were not harming babies could not be substantiated.

Save The Children report on Nestle practices

Open letter to Nestle signed by 13 reputable Aid Agencies here

Open letter to Nestle from Unicef here

This is the International Code on Baby Milk marketing written by the World Health Organisation . It is so commonsensical and basic one wonders why Nestle have spent so much time and money trying to stop poor countries from implementing laws that implement it, such as nestle india limited vs Union of India here

So President, "that's how the world works" makes it all ok, does it? That's some kind of justification?

A lot of companies have dubious practices, yes. Nestle is particularly awful. They KNOW that pushing infant formula in poorer countries will basically condemn those babies to death, yet they still do it. They use child labour. They illegally log rainforests, displacing indigenous people and killing orang-utans. They take water from underneath villages in the third world, to be bottled and sold to people in the west whilst those villagers die of thirst. The CEO of Nestlé is on record as saying that he doesn't think safe drinking water is a basic human right.

But, y'know what? Shreddies taste better than own brand, so go ahead, condone all this and give Nestlé your money. It's people like you who make this "the way things are". It doesn't have to be. We can make big corporations accountable for their actions. McDonalds only started packaging their burgers in cardboard rather than plastic as a result of consumer pressure. It's a small step, but it's a step. But first it requires people to actually give a shit.

I've been aware of the Nestlé scandal for twenty fucking years at least. It's astonishing that they continue to get away with it.

That said, I didn't realise Rachel's Dairy was on the shit list now. Time to print out a fresh shit list to stick on the fridge.

The problem is this:- those who know and understand how awful Nestle are and how little respect they have for human life will either boycott completely, or boycott all but a few things they really love (I know people who couldn't wean themselves off Nescafé)... Nestlé know that even if they were to turn over a new leaf and do everything they could to change their practices, most boycotters would still not touch their products. Because they lost the trust and nobody likes a hypocrite who changes their M.O purely for financial gain.

For example, when it came out that Chick Fil-a (an American fast food chain) were paying large sums to fund programs to "cure" gay people, I immediately boycotted them. A week later they put out a grovel lay apology and agreed to cut the charity to those programs, but could not deny that the owner believed strongly that being gay is ungodly.

Some people may have accepted that they changed their funding and would return there again, but I would never be comfortable eating somewhere I knew that gay people were not welcome... So we have no intention of ever going back.

Nestlé boycotts can turn more people against them and great, but there will always be stubborn, selfish people that honestly don't care how their merchandise is produced or who it hurts. There are clearly enough of these people that Nestle feels safe in ignoring it.

The est thing would be to start a huge mumsnet campaign about it, link to cafemom in America etc and just really put fear in them...

Scottishmummy.

I am unable to pose coherent thoughts? I laughed out loud at that one I must say. Perked up my morning.

Floaty - Armadale posted good links above.

Thanks for this thread. Whilst I disagree with SM, I do think there is an interesting discussion warranted on what the ordinary consumer can do (over and above the tricky keeping of a boycott of a massive range of every day products) I like flyingspaghettimonsters idea as a starter. Shocked at the folk saying breast feeding Gestapo tbh.

It's not that tricky to boycott nestle. .I've been doing it since 1996. I do get confused when it comes to which bottled waters they own and it can make buying Ice cream tricky if you're in a little resort and all they have is lyons maid (and buying chocolate abroad can also be tricky) but none of it is impossible. It's just habit now, and nothing I've heard about Nestlé since 1996 has made me want to go back to them. Their chocolate is rubbish anyway (I was very happy when they stopped owning Branston pickle though)

TBF, the government have lots of dodgy dealings going on all over the world, with companies and countries that are... not very nice (!!)

I agree that this shouldn't be allowed to happen, but when our glorious prime minister is more interested in getting money from China, it makes you realise that those at the top don't give a shit about anyone except themselves and their bank balances.

Yes, Nestle is a problem, but it's a drop in the ocean when we compare the other problems in the world.

But "that's just the way the world works" so fuck it, let's just carry on and soon we'll all be in too much shit of our own to care about anyone else. Which won't be that much different. Selfish, greedy society.

Sitting in your home & refusing to buy products from a huge company such as Nestle isn't going to do anything. There are far more who are buying their products than those who are not. You are a small drop in the ocean to them. I have been on MN for 10yrs & this has always been a focus here, still the nestle machine rages on, unaffected.

Those buying non branded stuff, I think you may not be aware that some factories make both branded & non branded stuff, so can you be 100% sure that you are in fact, boycotting them completely?

Why don't you take some action instead of starting threads on here that may (or may not) recruit to your cause. Get on a plane & educate the woman that they can breastfeed & not use nestle's formula. Talk to someone who can take action, (I have no idea who that would be), be active! DO something.

I admit that I do not actively boycott Nestle. I spend my time helping the less fortunate in my country to put food on their tables. It isn't that I don't care, (and I love how many of you have accused those who do not actively boycott of not caring) it is that I want to improve conditions closer to home, because it seems to me that everyone wants to send aid & money overseas when there is poverty on their doorstep that needs addressing too.

My colleague helped a young mum who fled a violent husband. She had nothing but the clothes on her back. No food, no money (he cut off her access to their account) no where to live. Her & she children are staying on a floor at a friends. We gave her 10 items of food to keep her going for a week. For her & her three children.

So while I think that any one who wants to help anyone is doing a good job, I resent being told (and others being told) that I don't care because I prefer to help others closer to home. We all just have different priorities, I don't think that makes anyone better or worse than anyone else.

I agree different. -We all have things we feel passionate about. They all differ. People prioritise what is close to their heart. That's a good thing.

I have to say though, your resentment is not needed. People on this thread openly admitted themselves that even though they know what nestle do, they don't care. They weren't told that. It came from them.

Whether a person chooses to do anything or not, saying that actually you couldn't give a shit about all those babies that have died does make you a worse person than the next who feels differently. Being amused by the factual title makes you a pretty shitty person IMO.