Actually, I am being really unreasonable. However I would like to ask those who have experienced Angel Feathers to....

[DioneTheDiabolist]

...answer a few questions that I have.

1). What does it feel like when you see that feather?

2). What are your thoughts when this happens?

And

3). What would you say are the long term (if any) effects that you would attribute to these encounters.

I understand that this belief has been the subject of some ridicule here. I have no intention of ridiculing anyone. This thread has been inspired by a previous AIBU thread, but is not a thread about a thread. I am not a journalist. I am not seeking results to use in an academic submission or publication. What I am seeking is knowledge and understanding in the hope that I can use it to help others.

IABU for the following reasons:
I only posted in AIBU for the traffic. If MN rule that I have breached guidelines, can it be moved and not deleted.

And I ask the skeptics not to put people off answering honestly. If you think it necessary, I can start another thread for all your thoughts to be discussed. Perhaps the scientifically minded of you could look at this as an information gathering excersise.

So, everything we get we've asked for?

Just say that tonight, while walking the dog (as a Christ rejector) I get raped and murdered. The guy, while on remand 'finds god'. He goes to heaven and I'm in hell?

You let Satan have dominion over you, head. It's all your fault.

Christian love, eh? Just precious

hettie us as in human beings. The Fall was with Adam and Eve. We all have responsibility to accept Salvation though, to redeem ourselves from the Fall of humankind and inheritance of the resulting sin nature.

Adam and Eve didn't exist.

I thought you understood science.

As for god making a new heaven and a new earth? It didn't exactly go well last time he tried his hand I've had a go at making people, they're called my kids, I have four of them, could I sit and watch them drown for not loving me in the right way? I don't think so. Say 2 of them are obedient and 2 are obstinate, could I watch two drown but save the obedient ones? I doubt it and I'm just a normal 'common or garden' 'shout at the kids from time to time' type parent. Add to that the fact that I actively reject Christianity. How come I'm more patient and loving than your god?

Just about everyone has choices until they die.

Answer to headinhands dog post.

Hettie understanding is not the same as agreeing with everything that is said in the name of science.

Could god sin? Could he decide to do evil stuff (ignoring the OT genocides etc)

Oh look, it's another young earth biblical literalist. Don't all laugh at once.

head no God cannot sin. God do something that is apart from Himself, against His will as Divine Creator? No.

So god doesn't have free will? Yet he gave it to us? And thought that would go well? If god doesn't have free will but is still able to love, and his love be good, why couldn't he have made us the same?

From your own reasoning earlier on in this thread, god only loves us because he has to. He is effectively a puppet and not acting through choice. He is perfect yet he chose to make us imperfect and then held us accountable to that?

Be aware of Trolls from Digital Spy joining here who have no interest in Mumsnet, other than Trolling.

Hettie understanding is not the same as agreeing with everything that is said in the name of science

It's not said "in the name of science". Science has proven it true.

Yes. A young earth biblical literalist. And this from the person who was insisting that religion & science are not incompatible.

Well - they are when you ignore the findings of science, sublime.

Ah well - I'm off for a night of sin.

Hellooooooooooooooooo DP Satan......how YOU doin'?

Oh hello DS! Been a member there for many years, mainly the DS:BB area

God's nature is good, not sinful. We were created to decide whether to choose God's way, which is good, or go against God, which is evil and sin.

If you can't make a choice you would not be able to fully appreciate God. As I said before you would not force someone to love you, it would not be love, they have to choose you.

What is Digital Spy?

If I say 'love me or suffer' is that free will?

Suffering is due to evil in this world. Good and evil clash.

If you warn someone of the likely consequences of their actions they still have free will to ignore you.

Yeah we warn children about road safety but still send air ambulances as soon as bloody possible in the event of a collision. What crimes would you bring in torture for as a punishment? And if god is so keen for our choice of following him to be free will why even ever mention hell?; 'look, I'd like to be friends with you (you worship me) but just so you know, if you don't, things are gonna get pretty bad for you, just sayin'

Your still alive aren't you head. It's not over yet, you can still repent if you choose to.

Not necessarily sub. If I tell you to give me £40 and that if you don't really horrid stuff will happen to you for ignoring me, would you automatically believe my threat advice?